Re: "The Observational Collapse of Einsteinian Physics"


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| > | > | > | > | > "The Observational Collapse of Einsteinian Physics"
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | [rest snipped]
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | You're still not fooling anyone, you know.
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | x_A = (x_O - v * t_O) / sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
| > | > | > | > | t_A = (t_O - v * x_O/c^2) / sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > You are still not fooling anyone, you know.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > [quote]
| > | > | > | > we establish by definition that the "time" required by a
| > turtle
| > | > to
| > | > | > | > travel
| > | > | > | > from A to B equals the "time" it requires to travel
from B
| > to
| > | > A.
| > | > | > | > [end quote]
| > | > | > | > Ref:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Correct, the times are *NOT EQUAL*. At least in SR.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Phuckwit. Of course the times are equal is SR, but SR is
crap.
| > | > | > You are still not fooling anyone, you know.
| > | > |
| > | > | The times are not equal in SR, either.
| > | >
| > | > Yes they are, 2AB/(t'A-tA) = c in SR.
| > | > It's not my fault you don't know SR.
| > | > You are still not fooling anyone, you know.
| > |
| > | OK.
| > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > |
| > | > | And no, I can't fool you.
| > | >
| > | > That's right, you can't.
| > | >
| > | > | Disprove you, maybe,
| > | >
| > | > You can't do that either, you don't even know SR.
| > | > You are still not fooling anyone, you know.
| > |
| > | It doesn't matter. You have disproven SR with a masterful stroke.
| >
| > I know I have.
| >
| > | The only thing that needs doing at this point is submitting your
| > | work to _Nature_ or other such peer-reviewed journal -- which
might
| > | be a slight problem as you have no peers.
| >
| > I did, but they are now dead. Newton... Kepler... Galileo...
| > Copernicus...
| > Michelson...Faraday... Gauss....even Russell. Yes, it IS a problem.
| >
| > | Once it has been accepted and published, acclaim will follow.
| >
| > Ah... but I'm not seeking acclaim, only truth. Not that you could
| > ever understand that, motivated as you are by greed.
|
| Greed nothing. This is a necessity to further the cause
| of science. Perhaps "peer review" is not the term, but
| "peer *acceptance*".

I have no peers, you said so yourself.

|
| Einstein had to take a few years before everyone
| accepted his stuff (and some of the protestation
| was quite virulent), and perhaps we should have been
| more scrutinizing, for now we are embroiled in a major
| controversy, assuming such things as dark energy, when
| the explanation is surprisingly simple: give up SR.
|
| But there's some work to be done here, and the problem is
| that a replacement theory for all experimental phenomena
| currently using SR as a crutch must be found.


Having swept all the dirt under the carpet for 100 years it is
now a stinking fetid pile of disease.
I'd advise throwing away the few grains of gold dust along
with carpet, fumigate the house, wash everything down,
sterilize all traces of bacillus einsteinicocci and repaint it.
Be sure to wear a psycho-hazard suit.
So yes, I agree there is work to be done but I'm not doing
it all, it was me that looked under the carpet and you live here too.
It's too much for you as well, you can best help by recruiting
helpers willing to do the work.


| > | >
| > | > with
| > | > | careful analysis of data (assuming two things: that
| > | > | I can do a careful analysis of any data, and that I
| > | > | have any data to carefully analyze).
| > | >
| > | > Carefully analyze this:
| > | > http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/
| > |
| > | [Including]
| > |
| > | ON THE ELECTRODYNAMICS
| > | OF MOVING BODIES
| > | By A. Einstein
| > | June 30, 1905
| > |
| > | It is known that Maxwell's electrodynamics--as usually
| > | understood at the present time--when applied to moving
| > | bodies, leads to asymmetries which do not appear
| > | to be inherent in the phenomena. Take, for example,
| > | the reciprocal electrodynamic action of a magnet and a
| > | conductor. The observable phenomenon here depends only
| > | on the relative motion of the conductor and the magnet,
| > | whereas the customary view draws a sharp distinction
| > | between the two cases in which either the one or the
| > | other of these bodies is in motion. For if the magnet
| > | is in motion and the conductor at rest, there arises in
| > | the neighbourhood of the magnet an electric field with
| > | a certain definite energy, producing a current at the
| > | places where parts of the conductor are situated. But if
| > | the magnet is stationary and the conductor in motion,
| > | no electric field arises in the neighbourhood of the
| > | magnet. In the conductor, however, we find an electromotive
| > | force, to which in itself there is no corresponding energy,
| > | but which gives rise--assuming equality of relative motion
| > | in the two cases discussed--to electric currents of the
| > | same path and intensity as those produced by the electric
| > | forces in the former case.
| > |
| > | [No data available; above paragraph not analyzed]
| >
| > Well, it is just an example of the Principle of Relativity that
| > Copernicus first applied to the Earth, Sun and Moon and
| > came up with the heliocentric universe theory. Galileo explained
| > it rather well in his Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World
Systems,
| > 1632
| > As for data, there are many electric motors and generators,
| > analyze those.
| > Maxwell's equations are fucked up and Einstein couldn't fix them,
they
| > are still fucked up.
|
| Then you should replace them with equations that work. This will
| buttress science -- and your claim.

See what I mean? You expect me to do ALL the work.
I'll dust off Gauss's and Faraday's equations and leave the others
to you. Be careful, they are contaminated. If you see 1/c anywhere,
it's almost zero, a psycho-hazard. Treat it with a good spraying
of Snell's law. I'll put Faraday's and Gauss's laws back on the
mantlepiece, all nice and shiny, good as new. Gold nuggets
don't get all that tarnished, do they?


|
| >
| >
| > | Examples of this sort,
| >
| > There it is.. the subject of the paragaph.
| > Some idiot writing in Wackypedia thinks the PoR is some
| > crap about laws of physics being the same in all inertial frames.
| >
| > | together with the unsuccessful
| > | attempts to discover any motion of the earth relatively
| > | to the ``light medium,''
| >
| > A reference to MMX.
|
| MMX was a bad experiment, as it used a stationary lightsource.

No no no!
The lightsource of MMX isn't stationary, it was hurtling through
the aether along with spaceship Earth. Remember what MMX was for.
Michelson has been commissioned by the US Navy to MEASURE
the speed of light. He tried and failed, so he repeated his experiment
and got Morley, his buddy and a chemist, to help check his work.
It still failed, there was no aether. Being a GREAT scientist, Michelson
reported his results to the world.
There are no bad experiments. Every experiment tells us something,
and MMX told us no aether. It was the phuckwits Lorentz and
Fitzgerald that came up with length contraction, and Einstein with
his hoax followed soon after.
We are taking advantage of 20-20 hindsight, had we been where
Michelson was standing we would have wanted the experiment.
You are a great bean counter, what was Michelson predicting
would be the fringe shift based on the assumption that the Earth
swept through aether at 2pi * 93,000,000 miles a year?
To make it easy, use a red laser diode as the lightsource.

http://users.forthnet.gr/ath/jgal/spectroscope/amici.html
( Note [37] )
Few people realize just how brilliant Michelson was, but
if you look deeper you'll see the difficulty he was working
under.
Michelson ranks with Kepler and Roemer as a scientist,
but the jewel in the crown will always be Newton. Galileo
was the father of science, but was outstripped by the
brilliance of Newton.

| >
| > | suggest that the phenomena
| > | of electrodynamics as well as of mechanics possess no
| > | properties corresponding to the idea of absolute rest.
| >
| > ... he's saying there is no universal frame.
|
| And then goes ahead and ASSUMES one! See below.

Yes, I know. It pleases me that you have taken the trouble
to read it in depth.

|
| >
| > | They
| > | suggest rather that, as has already been shown to the first
| > | order of small quantities, the same laws of electrodynamics
| > | and optics will be valid for all frames of reference for
| > | which the equations of mechanics hold good.(footnote 1)
| >
| > Forget "first order of small quantities", Sagnac works
| > to second, third and fourth order. To understand why, you have
| > to ignore the "customary view" of the first paragraph, place
| > MMX on a carousel and watch the fringe shifts.
| >
| >
| > | We will raise this conjecture (the purport of which will
| > | hereafter be called the ``Principle of Relativity'')
| >
| > See... there it is, the example given.
| >
| >
| > | to the status of a postulate, and also introduce another
| > | postulate, which is only apparently irreconcilable
| >
| > Actually it is totally irreconcilable. In 1920, 7 years after
| > Sagnac proved him wrong, he was whining:
| >
| > "VII. The Apparent Incompatibility of the Law of Propagation of
Light
| > with the Principle of Relativity
| >
| >
| > THERE is hardly a simpler law in physics than that according
to
| > which light is propagated in empty space."
| >
| > This is to divert attention from "Take, for example, the
| > reciprocal electrodynamic action of a magnet and a conductor." and
he
| > goes on:
| > "Every child at school knows, or believes he knows, that this
| > propagation takes place in straight lines with a velocity c =
300,000
| > km./sec."
| > This is to make you think you are an idiot for not agreeing
with
| > what a child at school knows. Children are gullible, but
that's
| > allowed. Children at school still believe in Sant Claus. We
lie
| > to them.
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > with the
| > | former, namely, that light is always propagated in empty
| > | space with a definite velocity c which is independent
| > | of the state of motion of the emitting body.
| >
| > Which is a belief in aether without the aether.
| >
| > | These two
| > | postulates suffice for the attainment of a simple and
| > | consistent theory of the electrodynamics of moving bodies
| > | based on Maxwell's theory for stationary bodies.
| >
| > Except it is a hoax, plain and simple, to the greater glory of
Einstein.
| >
| >
| > The
| > | introduction of a ``luminiferous ether'' will prove to be
| > | superfluous inasmuch as the view here to be developed will
| > | not require an ``absolutely stationary space'' provided
| > | with special properties, nor assign a velocity-vector
| > | to a point of the empty space in which electromagnetic
| > | processes take place.
| >
| > He's going to *** with time instead. H.G.Wells "Time Machine"
| > got to him as a teenager, it was a best seller, and he's a patent
clerk
| > looking at new patents for Swiss cuckoo clocks.
| > He's got a hard-on for time. You can forget the reciprocal
| > electrodynamic action of a magnet and a conductor, that's
| > not part of the deal.
| >
| >
| > | [Luminiferous aether cannot be detected by definition.]
| >
| > Yep...
| >
| > | The theory to be developed is based--like all
| > | electrodynamics--on the kinematics of the rigid body,
| > | since the assertions of any such theory have to do
| > | with the relationships between rigid bodies (systems
| > | of co-ordinates), clocks, and electromagnetic
| > | processes. Insufficient consideration of this
| > | circumstance lies at the root of the difficulties which
| > | the electrodynamics of moving bodies at present encounters.
| > |
| > | [OK]
| > |
| > | Let us take a system of co-ordinates in which the equations
| > | of Newtonian mechanics hold good.(footnote 2)
| >
| > Yeah... Sagnac will do nicely.
|
| So will a black hole, methinks. Anything sufficiently curved will do.

Sagnac is real. It is MMX on a carousel. Black holes were born
of GR.


|
| >
| >
| > In order to
| > | render our presentation more precise and to distinguish
| > | this system of co-ordinates verbally from others which
| > | will be introduced hereafter, we call it the ``stationary
| > | system.''
| > |
| > | [Operation error. No system is stationary. Arbitrary designation
of
| > | such may lead to inconsistencies.]
| >
| > It appears in inverted commas. Is is a name of convenience (and
| > deliberate confusion). The carousel is the "stationary system" if
| > you are riding it, the wooden horses are not moving relative to you.
| > This is the "customary view" which switches with the observer
| > as he steps off the carousel and watches it turn.
| > |
| > | [System overload. Skipping to math equations.]
| >
| > It shouldn't be a system overload.
| > Frame jumping to the carousel enables the understanding
| > of Sagnac.
|
| Perhaps so. But the verbiage got to me. I prefer math.

Ok... Sagnac in a nutshell.
This is four corners of a rotating square:
AB (t= 0)
CD

BD (t = 1)
AC

DC (t = 2)
BA

Light leaves A, goes to B and C, ends at D.
It is now back in the top left corner.
One ray stayed there, the other completed 4 sides of the square.
Do the math.
Result?
Speed of light: 2c one way, zero the other.
I can't spin a real Sagnac device that fast, but I can get
c+v, c-v and a beat frequency between them.

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-2951
"Optical gyroscopes, with virtually no moving parts, are replacing
mechanical gyroscopes in commercial jetliners, booster rockets, and
orbiting satellites. Such devices are based on the Sagnac effect, first
demonstrated by the French scientist Georges Sagnac in 1913."

It is NOT magic.


| >
| >
| > | If at the point A of space there is a clock, an observer
| > | at A can determine the time values of events in the
| > | immediate proximity of A by finding the positions of
| > | the hands which are simultaneous with these events. If
| > | there is at the point B of space another clock in all
| > | respects resembling the one at A, it is possible for an
| > | observer at B to determine the time values of events in
| > | the immediate neighbourhood of B. But it is not possible
| > | without further assumption to compare, in respect of time,
| > | an event at A with an event at B. We have so far defined
| > | only an ``A time'' and a ``B time.'' We have not defined
| > | a common ``time'' for A and B, for the latter cannot be
| > | defined at all unless we establish by definition that the
| > | ``time'' required by light to travel from A to B equals the
| > | ``time'' it requires to travel from B to A. Let a ray of
| > | light start at the ``A time'' t_A from A towards B, let it
| > | at the ``B time'' t_B be reflected at B in the direction
| > | of A, and arrive again at A at the ``A time'' t'_A.
| > |
| > | In accordance with definition the two clocks synchronize if
| > | t_B - t_A = t'_A - t_B
| > |
| > | [Operation error: ownership is missing on term "definition".]
| >
| > He's using the royal "we" of Queen Victoria, "WE are not amused".
|
| Neither am I. It is *his* definition, and it is his job to prove it.
| Since he is now dead, that may prove rather difficult.

He had a lifetime of sitting in a chair, feet on the table, munching
grapes and playing the violin while science burned. Nero reincarnate.
Cleaning up the ashes will take a lot of manpower, it will be a long
time before controlled nuclear fusion will happen. Well... it already
has been a long time.
We should be on the way to Mars twenty years ago.

"If A equals success, then the formula is _ A = _ X + _ Y + _ Z. _ X is
work. _ Y is play. _ Z is keep your mouth shut." -- Albert Einstein

What are you going to do about loud mouthed phuckwits like Uncle Alice
and soft spoken imbeciles like Tom Roberts? The world is full of them,
kicking the ashes of science around while I'm trying to clean up.
There's always going to be complete morons like moortel trying to snatch
my dust pan and broom away and piss on my leg, but he's only heard by
other morons like YBM anyway.
Heck, I don't even want the job, I want to play with big toys,
accelerators and telescopes, even shoot the moon with a laser. But...
someone has to try.


| > He means *I* when he says "we". This trait continues in the court
| > system today, British and American.
| > A lawyer will say "May it please the court", showing deference to
| > a superior, when he really means the arsehole in the big high chair
| > with the power. It's arse-kissing, and the protocol from the
arsehole
| > in the big high chair, representing the LAW, bigger than both of
| > them, is to pretend he's the court and give "our" judgment.
| > The court was originally the monarch and his entourage, going
| > around the country dispensing justice. Today of you are prosecuted
| > in England it will be the Crown vs Ghost. In the USA the "People" vs
| > Ghost. I don't know about other countries.
|
| In the British system it may very well be the Crown; I'd have to look.
| In the US it's typically the governing authority one's allegedly
| run afoul of (e.g., Roe v. Wade refers to Wade County, TX).


The People v O.J. Simpson, a criminal case.
Roe v Wade was a civil case, no crime involved.
"A pregnant single woman (Roe) brought a class action [suit] challenging
the constitutionality of the Texas criminal abortion laws, which
proscribe procuring or attempting an abortion except on medical advice
for the purpose of saving the mother's life."
The prosecutor is first, the defendant second.
Roe sued the county, the case went to the Supreme Court on appeal.
The people sued O J Simpson.

|
| > The US Constitution begins "We" the people hold these truths to be
| > self evident...
| > All men are born free and equal is a legal axiom. Slavery was ok,
| > black people were animals, beasts of burden, not men.
| > That was self-evident, they were uneducated (but don't educate them,
| > it might turn them into men). Sigh.... why do I feel guilty for
being
| > white?
|
| Because you've probably been brainwashed by the Liberals. But that's
| a debate for another newsgroup.

Yeah... Andrew Jackson was a mass murderer, you still have him on your
twenty.
7th President of the United States: 1829 - 1837
Between 1790 and 1830 the population of Georgia increased six-fold. The
western push of the settlers created a problem. Georgians continued to
take Native American lands and force them into the frontier. By 1825 the
Lower Creek had been completely removed from the state under provisions
of the Treaty of Indian Springs. By 1827 the Creek were gone.

I'm probably brainwashed by Liberals, but that's a debate for another
newsgroup.


| > | We assume that this definition of synchronism is free from
| > | contradictions, and possible for any number of points; and that
the
| > | following relations are universally valid:--
| > |
| > | [Operation error: multiaxiom system cannot be assumed free of
| > | contradiction.]
| >
| > Well... Einstein likes to assume. Rhetorical persuasion in a
scientific
| > and mathematical paper has no place, it is clear, so ist klar, in
| > agreement with experience.
|
| Yes, he does. But it is very far from clear. Consider, for instance,
| that MMX was not done in vacuum -- it was done in the open air.
| The mercury bearing was simply sitting on the ground, with the granite
| block exposed to the elements -- on a clear day, or perhaps inside
| of a building. No doubt later experiments may have rectified that to
| some extent but a hard vacuum is very hard to come by.

Wouldn't matter if it was unless a slight draught of air worth
1000 Katrinas came through the lab.
Then you'd see a fringe shift just before you smeared into the
horizontal lab wall with the granite block on top of you.

|
| >
| >
| > |
| > | 1 If the clock at B synchronizes with the clock at A, the clock at
A
| > | synchronizes with the clock at B.
| > |
| > | [Operation error: Clocks do not synchronize without infinite
time.
| >
| > Hmm... this is saying IF B= A THEN A = B.
| > Nothing wrong with it, surely?
| > I'd call that universally valid.
|
| I'd call it daft nonsense. Clock A may well be reading in standard
| 60:60:24 time, but Clock B may be using Swatch time. A more
| realistic issue: suppose clock A were running at 1.000005 seconds
| per true second, and clock B were running at 0.999995 seconds per
| true second. Suppose that one can read clocks A and B to the
| nearest thousandth of a second. It will take 100 true seconds
| to discover the discrepancy in this case -- suppose the clocks
| were only synchronized using a 10 second procedure? That no worky.

You are confusing gain with offset. Synchronization is setting two
clocks at the same place to read the same time and is instantaneous.
What happens after that is irrelevant, the clocks WERE synched, even
if one has stopped.
A local pub near me has a novelty clock that runs backwards
but still gives the correct time, the numbers are "counterclockwise".


| There's also the possibility of a clock C running at true time.

What IS true time? Absolute time?

"Absolute, true, and mathematical time, of itself and from its own
nature, flows equably without relation to anything external, and by
another name is called "duration"; relative, apparent, and common time
is some sensible and external (whether accurate or unequable) measure of
duration by the means of motion, which is commonly used instead of true
time, such as an hour, a day, a month, a year."
--- Sir Isaac Newton -- Scholium to the definitions in Philosophiae
Naturalis Principia Mathematica, Bk. 1 (1689).
"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --Albert
Einstein

He is actually admitting he's a huckster, gloating about it.

"Man usually avoids attributing cleverness to somebody else -- unless it
is an enemy" -- Albert Einstein

He was the enemy of science, and damned clever.


| Between A and C, and between B and C, no detectable discrepancy
| will ensue for 200 seconds, but between A and B after 100 seconds
| they'll be off by 1 millisecond.
|
| Surely these clocks are not in sync.

No, but they were.
A clock is an oscillator and a counter. The counter is perfect (unless a
gear tooth is missing, or equivalent).
When you synchronize two clocks you set the counters to the same value,
you don't change the oscillator.
This is a clock without a counter:
http://www.amherst.edu/~ermace/sth/birdseye.jpeg
Because I've been there, I can read the time the picture was taken
(approximately).
It's early afternoon, say 1:15 or so.



| >
| > | A. Clock points can synchronize easily enough but clocks
| > | will drift. (All clocks are imperfect timekeepers.)
| >
| > Sure, but we are to hypothesize a perfect clock for the purpose
| > of discussion. We can't get far if we don't.
| > Real clocks are not perfect, I agree.
|
| Real clocks can be error-estimated.
|
| >
| >
| > | B. Clock synchronization is done within a certain error.
| > | After the synch is done the clocks will drift until
| > | out of error. (All synchs are imperfect.)
| >
| >
| > Again, this is a theoretical synchronization. You reset your
| > wristwatch to local time when you travel, yes?
| > Nothing magic about it.
|
| No, but one has to be careful.
|
| >
| >
| > | This can introduce paradoxes of the form 0.0 =~ 0.01 =~ 0.02 =~
....
| > | 1.00 -- the "approximate equality paradox".
| > |
| > | ]
| > |
| > | 2 If the clock at A synchronizes with the clock at B and also with
the
| > | clock at C, the clocks at B and C also synchronize with each
other.
| > |
| > | [Operation error: "approximate equality paradox"]
| >
| > Aww... come on. IF A = B .AND. B = C THEN A= C.
| > That's syllogism in its simplest form.
|
| If A =~ B and B =~ C, A is not necessarily =~ C.
|
| ("=~" is approximately equals.) For example, orange is almost
| yellow, and lime green is almost yellow, and blue-green is
| almost lime green. Is orange almost blue-green?
|
| See the problem here yet?

Nope.
If A > B and B > C, A is necessarily > C.
If A > B and B < C, A's relation to C is unknown.

As with velocity, a small but finite distance dx is divided by
a small interval of time, so it is with the gain of a clock dT/dt.
a perfect pair of clocks has DT/dt =1.
This has no effect on the offset, or synchronization.
The greater the interval dt, the closer to 1 you can set the gain of dT
by adjusting the pendulum length.
Don't measure a mile with a 1 inch ruler.

| >
| > | Thus with the help of certain imaginary physical
| > | experiments we have settled what is to be understood
| > | by synchronous stationary clocks located at different
| > | places, and have evidently obtained a definition of
| > | ``simultaneous,'' or ``synchronous,'' and of ``time.'' The
| > | ``time'' of an event is that which is given simultaneously
| > | with the event by a stationary clock located at the place
| > | of the event, this clock being synchronous, and indeed
| > | synchronous for all time determinations, with a specified
| > | stationary clock.
| > |
| > | [Operation warning: "imaginary experiments" are just that.]
| >
| > Yes.
| >
| > |
| > | In agreement with experience we further assume the quantity
| > |
| > | 2AB
| > | --------- = c,
| > | t'_A - t_A
| > |
| > | to be a universal constant--the velocity of light in empty space.
| > |
| > | [Operation error: assumption]
| >
| > Far worse than that. FALSE.
|
| Yes, it is a false assumption.
|
| >
| > AB does not equal BA, it has opposite sign.
|
| It's worse than that. "AB" is measured by observer A, which
| is sitting at origin A. "BA" is measured by observer B, which
| is probably *moving*, and will get a different reading.

I can measure my desk from A to B and time my cat walking across it.
With a sufficiently precise clock I could measure light crossing it.
I am the observer, there is only one of me.
The problem is when my cat goes back again and I was out of the room.
Time passed and he didn't move as far as I know.
Same with light. I don't know it reached the mirror until it returns,
then
it is too late to measure its speed. I have to deduce it from 1/2 the
total
time, but if my desk moves I'm in trouble with that, the velocity of
light
is c/n in air, n being the refractive index. Now I have c/n+v, c/n -v,
v being the speed of the desk. However, I do NOT need to pretend
it is c in the frame of the desk or stretch the desk to make it so.
(Yes, stretch... the Lorentz contraction is what I see as the length
of my desk, so my desk is actually longer and contracted to what
I see as it moves)


| > This equation says the velocity of light, c, is ZERO.
|
| Actually, it's simply a wrong equation. For all we know c is
| infinite and the mirror holds the light for a fraction of a second,
| long enough to fool us.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm
not sure about the former." --Albert Einstein
He's boasting again.


| Einstein's assumptions include zero reflective time. Since most
| mirrors are glass/silver affairs, that is far from clear.

Bounce a laser off the moon, I think your point is moot.


|
| > Now... "we" can debate speed and velocity, but later "we"
| > definitely mean directional velocity.
| > Hence the need for the persuasion. This is the giveaway of the hoax.
| > Einstein is way too smart for it to be a blunder, but he tipped his
hand
| > with that equation and the psychological appeal to "experience".
| > Nobody has the experience of that equation.
| > I can forgive a blunder, but this is outright intent to deceive with
| > malice aforethought.
| > Some time has passed and the light is where it started. c = 0.
| >
| >
| >
| > |
| > | [Operation error: inconsistency with standard definition. The
| > | standard definition v = r/(t-t_0), where v = velocity, t = time,
| > | t_0 = initial time, and r = position. While it is true that one
| > | can organize an experiment such that one can measure this
quantity,
| > | there is the problem that one cannot assume that v_1 + v_2 = c,
| > | or how the quantity
| > |
| > | v_20 = 2r/(t_2 - t_0) [east-west]
| > |
| > | relates to the quantities
| > |
| > | v_10 = r/(t_1 - t_0) [direction east]
| > |
| > | and
| > |
| > | v_21 = r/(t_2 - t_1) [direction west]
| > |
| > | The best one might do here is note that
| > |
| > | v_20 = Harmonic_Mean(v_10, v_21)
| > |
| > | and this proves nothing as to whether the two are equal, or not.
| > |
| > | ]
| > |
| > | Let there be given a stationary rigid rod; and let its length be l
as
| > | measured by a measuring-rod which is also stationary.
| > |
| > | [Operation error: measuring-rod cannot be stationary during
| > | the course of a measurement.]
| >
| > Yes it can. It had better be, all he's done is laid two rulers
| > side by side.
|
| [1] The ruler may be too short.

Broken rulers don't count.


| [2] How are the marks on the ruler made?

One from the other, they have to be the same.
Originally it was the size of the King's heel to toe that defned a foot
and three barleycorns to the inch. A pound (£) was a pound (lb)
of copper, usually in coin form. Weighing them checked no edges
has been pared away. The dollar was the European thaler,
(Austrian, I think), the name being Americanized, and a buck
was the hide of a deer made into clothing and worth a dollar to
the taylor.


| [3] How are the marks *verified*? Only the "0" mark is on the
| observer's origin. The rest -- well, there's no way to know
| without shifting the ruler, which subjects it to, among other
| things, torsions, flexes, and stretching/shrinking.
|
| See the problem here?

Nope. I can turn one ruler around 180 degrees and line up the 12 on
one with the 0 on the other, same both ends, and check the 6's line up.
Then I can halve the difference on both rulers. I'm not worried
about the ruler bending or shrinking as I turn it, I can use a paper
ruler and still be precise. Trisecting an angle or squaring the circle
is problem known to the Ancients, but that's for a different newsgroup.

| Also, many modern measurements are done
| via light-detection equipment -- which sort of begs the question,
| does it not? Surely you're not suggesting a ruler 10 light years
| in length...

Of course not, but I can measure a wavelength with a diffraction
grating. Counting the number of wavelengths in a meter is slightly
problematical... Radar does work, y'know. At least, it did in WWII
when we used it to find German aircraft coming to bomb the ***
out of my mother, out flying her balloon.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/beyond/factsheets/makhist/makhist3_prog11d.shtml
"Balloon crews, which could be as many as 16 strong, came mainly from
the Women's Auxiliary Air Force."
She didn't get any, they didn't get her either.
Maybe not any more...
Anyway, it's little things like that, survival, that makes we want to
get science
back on track.



| > |
| > | We now imagine the axis of the rod lying along the axis
| > | of x of the stationary system of co-ordinates, and that
| > | a uniform motion of parallel translation with velocity v
| > | along the axis of x in the direction of increasing x is
| > | then imparted to the rod.
| > |
| > | [Operation warning: Young's Modulus, momentum conservation,
| > | energy conservation effects.]
| >
| > It's still ok, slide one rule past the other. The basis of the slide
| > rule, actually.
|
| Sliding involves heating, stretching, and distortion. It will
| tamper with the measurement.

I threw away my slide rule years ago, but it got me through school.
Does heating, stretching, and distortion affect my computer?


|
| >
| >
| > |
| > | We now inquire as to the length of the moving rod, and
| > | imagine its length to be ascertained by the following
| > | two operations:--
| > |
| > | (a) The observer moves together with the given
| > | measuring-rod and the rod to be measured, and measures
| > | the length of the rod directly by superposing the
| > | measuring-rod, in just the same way as if all three
| > | were at rest.
| > |
| > | (b) By means of stationary clocks set up in the stationary
| > | system and synchronizing in accordance with § 1, the
| > | observer ascertains at what points of the stationary
| > | system the two ends of the rod to be measured are
| > | located at a definite time. The distance between
| > | these two points, measured by the measuring-rod
| > | already employed, which in this case is at rest, is
| > | also a length which may be designated ``the length
| > | of the rod.''
| > |
| > | In accordance with the principle of relativity the length
| > | to be discovered by the operation (a)--we will call it
| > | ``the length of the rod in the moving system''--must be
| > | equal to the length l of the stationary rod.
| > |
| > | [Operation error: the assumption that r_11 = r_00, where r_11 is
the
| > | length of the moving rod (1) as measured by the moving observer
(1)
| > | and r_00 is the length of the arbitrarily-designated stationary
| > | rod as measured by the stationary observer (0), is not proven.]
| >
| > Ah, but all this crap is to fall in line with the Lorentz-Fitzgerald
| > contraction those phuckwits proposed to answer the null result
| > of MMX and light speed being constant in aether. Einstein wanted to
| > make a name for himself. He succeeded. Never underestimate the
| > skill of the con artist. Einstein was the best ever, world wide fame
| > and a life of
| > "A table, a chair, a bowl of fruit and a violin; what else does a
man
| > need to be happy."
|
| The MMX is guaranteed to generate a null result. Pick one.
|
| [1] It's moving vertically through the light rays, which are
| vibrating E/M fields. Regardless of experiment orientation
| (or even polarization, for that matter!) there's no method by
| which one can do anything but.

The Ken Seto theory, huh? The less said about that the better.

|
| [2] The light rays come in at c from a stationary source, and
| move through the apparatus at speed c, regardless of
| its orientation thorugh any aether, hypothetical or otherwise.
| It's a bit like slapping an ice puck while still versus
| while moving; the ice puck moves faster *relative to the ice*,
| but not to you (assuming similar stick motion).
|
| [3] SR.


[4] The light rays start at c from a source relatively at rest to
the detector and move through the apparatus at speed c,
regardless of its orientation through any aether, hypothetical
or otherwise.
It's a bit like a fly in your car.
The fly moves faster *relative to the road* but slow enough
to be swatted it relative you. Flies outside the car get splatted
on the windshield, which is a bit like Earth's atmosphere,
except the flies come right through the windshield squashed
but can still buzz around slowly. X-flies are good at this,
but IR-dragonflies go over the top of the car in the airstream,
breathing dragon fire on the roof to warm the car up.
If an IR-dragonfly makes it through the windshield it squashes
up into a greenfly.
Flies leaving the car via the windshield fly away at flyspeed
relative to the car, not the road. They don't get unsquashed.



| >
| > | The length to be discovered by the operation (b) we will call
``the
| > | length of the (moving) rod in the stationary system.'' This we
shall
| > | determine on the basis of our two principles, and we shall find
that
| > it
| > | differs from l.
| > |
| > | Current kinematics tacitly assumes that the lengths determined by
| > these
| > | two operations are precisely equal, or in other words, that a
moving
| > | rigid body at the epoch t may in geometrical respects be perfectly
| > | represented by the same body at rest in a definite position.
| > |
| > | [Operation note: Perhaps.]
| > |
| > | [System overload. Please save all work and reboot.]
| > |
| > | [Include aborted]
| > |
| > |
| > | > I did!
| > | > You are still not fooling anyone, you know.
| > |
| > | Your analysis of course will have to be reviewed.
| >
| >
| > Please do.
|
| Not by me! Whoever gave you the idea that *I* was the peer in
| "peer acceptance"?

Ahh... see, won't help me sweep up... well, I'm too old to care
much, live in the mess, just buy a new carpet and sweep it all under
that.

| No, you need to submit it to _Nature_. They will review it, and
| then get back to you, presumably.

Old Ma Nature doesn't like me anymore, I've been too good
at dodging her swats as I've buzzed around her world. She got
my ankle, though.
I just wanna play with the big boys toys, they won't let me
but I've got my puter to play with, you write to her.

|
| >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > |
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > [quote]
| > | > | > | > For velocities greater than that of a turtle our
| > deliberations
| > | > | > become
| > | > | > | > meaningless; we shall, however, find in what follows,
that
| > the
| > | > | > velocity
| > | > | > | > of a turtle in our theory plays the part, physically, of
an
| > | > | > infinitely
| > | > | > | > great velocity.
| > | > | > | > [quote]
| > | > | > | > Ref:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Einstein can "prove" (ha ha) nothing can go faster than
a
| > | > turtle.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Oops!... Did I say 'a turtle'? Sorry...'light'.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Einstein has proven nothing.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > That's right, he was a phuckwit like you.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > | Superluminal muons are routinely observed.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Yep.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > | Protons are accelerated many times faster than light in
| > | > accelerators
| > | > | > | such as the LHC, despite the beam specs suggesting
otherwise.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > No they are not, phuckwit.
| > | > |
| > | > | Good point; however, I'm still researching it.
| > | >
| > | > You'll be a long time, you don't have a theory on which to base
it.
| > | >
| > | > | The priests of
| > | > | the Holy Accelerators claim teraelectronvolts when all they
can
| > | > | do, according to theory, is half a giga.
| > | > |
| > | > | (1/2) m_p c^2 = 469.136014 MeV, where m_p is the proton mass.
| > | >
| > | > Prove it. All theoretical estimates from the Lord High Priests
of
| > | > Relativity
| > | > are based in the relativist look-up table.
| > | > gamma Desired velocity
| > | > 1 0.000000000000000
| > | > 10 0.994987437106620
| > | > 100 0.999949998749938
| > | > 1000 0.999999499999875
| > | > 10000 0.999999995000000
| > | > 100000 0.999999999950000
| > | > 1000000 0.999999999999500
| > | > 10000000 0.999999999999995
| > | >
| > | > Whatever you measure you'll get the number you want.
| > |
| > | Correct. However, I'm still wondering as to the energy of the
| > | incoming superluminal muons.
| >
| > http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/ohmygodpart.html
| > Phucking fat or fucking fast?
| >
|
| Fast. It was a 51-joule particle -- or 3.183 * 10^20 eV.
| This translates to 582,441 x the speed of light, if one
| uses Newtonian assumptions.

Maybe it was a small fat meteorite... can't tell now.
Bunch of dingbats in Utah wouldn't know the difference
between a proton and meteorite anyway, even if they do have
big boys toys to play with and won't share.
Don't forget to stretch those muons and the frame they are in
so that they get to look like normal size when cuckoo contracted.
They have to see the Earth coming at them at nearly c too,
so stretch that as well.




| >
| >
| >
| > |
| > | >
| > | > | That's the absolute speediest that they can accelerate things
to,
| > | > | according to Newtonian theory.
| > | >
| > | > You don't even know Newtonian theory.
| > | > You are still not fooling anyone, you know.
| > |
| > | Publish a Web page and teach us. Make it part of your submission
| > | to _Nature_.
| >
| > I did present a page.
| > It was scoffed at. I've always been scoffed at.
|
| You presented it *here*, not to _Nature_. This is not Nature.
| No doubt there are readers of Nature here, of course (I'm not
| one of them).

Nah, it was a genuine web page. I kept a copy but nobody
is interested.

|
| > I became ill last January, had to give up posting, ran out of money,
| > had to close it down. I've since written a booklet, but can't find
| > a publisher.
|
| Keep looking.

I'm not looking all that hard. Quasars are more fun.
|
| > "Honesty is praised and starves." --Juvenal
| > Know who Juvenal was? Google for him.
| > "I refuse to join any club that would have me as a
member!"--"Groucho"
| > Marx
| >
| > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > | Delta Cepheids are ordinary stars with small planets
around
| > them
| > | > | > causing
| > | > | > | them to wobble, and allowing us to view the strange light
| > curves
| > | > | > | therein simply by varying lightspeed (from our vantage
point).
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Nope. Large planets.
| > | > |
| > | > | They wouldn't need to be all that large; it depends on several
| > | > factors,
| > | > | namely, distance from Earth, planet density, star/planet
distance,
| > | > | and star/planet mass ratio.
| > | >
| > | > There is only one delta Cepheid, namely delta Cepheus.
| > | > Lots of cepheids, but you aren't talking about those.
| > | > You are still not fooling anyone, you know.
| > |
| > | The Cepheids are a general star class that are used, presumably
| > | incorrectly, in modern astronomy.
| >
| > Yep. Henrietta Swan Leavitt discovered something about them.
| > She was barking up the right tree at the wrong squirrel.
| > Androcles' law:
| > Distance, Period and Major Axis form a similar triangle, all other
| > parameters being constant. The shape of the light curve will be
| > unaltered if this ratio is maintained. We know the Period.
|
| Actually, I'm not sure about that. The star may be moving,
| changing the period as observed by us.

Sekerin time will apply to part of an orbit, but not all of it.
Proper motion of the system as a whole will be more or less
constant but will change the shape of the light curve gradually.
Henri Wilson discovered Sekerin time independently, but too late
for it to be called Wilson time.
I missed it when it was right under my nose.
http://www.ebicom.net/~rsf1/sekerin.htm
I was sketching Fig 2 at the same time as Vladimir Sekerin (1987)
but went straight into a program for DOS. The cold war was still
going then, so there was no communication.
Figure 3.... well... http://www.britastro.org/vss/gifc/00918-ck.gif
speaks volumes. Vladimir Sekerin should write to Nature.

| >
| > | Since GR is no more the
| > | usage of them as "signpost markers" to incorrectly determine the
| > | size of the galaxy and the size of the Universe will have to
| > | be done via alternate methods.
| >
| > GR was built on SR by the same huckster.
| > I see no reason for a detailed analysis, and I have my own
| > research to continue - dwarf cepheids, RRLyrae, quasars.
|
| Do you even know what they are? Do *we*? The GR assumptions
| are many here, and it's clear that they need to be reexplained.
|
| > I thought I had Henri Wilson engaged on dwarf cepheids, but
| > he's gone overboard with "his" theory of Wilson Cool fairy dust
| > and Wilson Cool Heavies. He wouldn't know what a
| > Seyfert Galaxy was, doesn't know what the Roche limit is.
|
| The problem is that he assumes that only one object is needed.
| There may be a gaggle of planets affecting the star's motion;
| the star would then exhibit a short period of 5 days with
| this gaggle of planets, even though they may take the better
| part of an Earth year to complete an orbit. With 72 smallish
| objects in roughly circular orbits, this is possible.

He's not got the math background, won't use Kepler's
E = M-e.sin(E), told me he doesn't know how and the
stubborn old goat wants to brag about he disproved Einstein.
He's a loose cannon, fires from the hip and will shoot himself
in the gout.


|
| > Then there is the Crab... I have to work alone, there is nobody
| > that has caught up to the basics that I can discuss ideas with.
| > What I find is for ME anyway, I don't care what other people
| > think. I try to teach, but is not really worth anything to me.
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > | > |
| > | > | >
| > | > | > | Supernovae prove c'=c+v.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Nope. Recurrent novae do though.
| > | > |
| > | > | So do Delta Cepheids.
| > | >
| > | > There is only one delta Cepheid, namely delta Cepheus.
| > | > Lots of cepheids, but you aren't talking about those.
| > | > You are still not fooling anyone, you know.
| > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > But.... same math, different animal.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Turtle speed = (turtle speed +v)/(1 + v / turtle speed)
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Actually, no.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Actually yes. Because I say so, stomp foot, bang shoe in
| > lectern.
| > | > |
| > | > | Actually, no. Turtle speed' = Turtle speed + v. If you're
| > | > | going to interchange turtles and photons at least be
consistent
| > | > | about it. ;-P
| > | >
| > | > I am as consistent as SR.
| > |
| > | You're more consistent. Newtonian physics lasted 300 years.
| > | SR has barely lasted 100.
| >
| > Time is irrelevant to science. Ptolemy's epicycles lasted 1400
years,
| > kept the astrologers in business. "Oh look, I told you last year
those
| > planets would be in conjunction in the third house and they are.
| > Now you'll be rich, so cross my palm with silver"
| > There have always been con artists.
|
| And they are now building multibilliondollar accelerators, based
| on GR assumptions. (This despite the fact that, absent more
| data, anything past 490 MeV -- for protons, anyway -- is gravy,
| or, if one prefers, total wastage of energy.)

It's your money right now, tomorrow your family's survival,
pick up a broom and start sweeping. I'm not doing it, I've done
enough. I've had a barrage of sarcasm from you too. Let's
see you on the sharp end. Feel free to use any of my posts.
I'm supposed to be retired.



| > | > c is a speed. Doesn't matter what it's the speed of, the math
| > | > is the same. I've chosen turtle speed.
| > |
| > | c is an abstract quantity that may or may not be related to the
| > | actual speed of photon propagation. In fact, at this time
| > | c is an *assumption*; the last known actual speed measurement
| > | was done sometime prior to 1983, when the powers-that-be simply
| > | defined 1m = 1/299792458 s.
| > |
| > | It is not light speed, any more than the "60 mph" designation on
| > | my speedometer is my car speed. (The car may be sitting on
| > | a dynamometer, for example. The tires may wear, leading to small
| > | inaccuracies. The tires may be replaced by "BigFoot" tires (with
| > | appropriate structural modifications), leading to readings that
| > | are nonsensical.)
| >
| > All speeds are relative.
|
| You persist in the thinking that c is a speed. It is *not* a speed.
| It is an abstract quantity that may or may not be related to true
| lightspeed. It has units m/s, but then so does 67 mph if one
| converts it.
|
| c is also the product of permittivity and permeability. Is there
| meaning therein? Good question. I can't say I know the answer.

The answer is "yes".
c = 1/sqrt(epsilon * mu)
To fix Maxwell, epsilon and mu are zero in vacuum.
c is defined in a medium but source dependent in a vacuum.
c = 1/sqrt(0*0) is undefined. Maxwell put values to epsilon0
and mu0, the permittivity and permeability of free aether.
There is no aether. What has happened is an extrapolation, like
the volume of a gas at zero Kelvin. It is zero volume, but there are
no gases at zero Kelvin. The volume of a liquid is more or less
constant independent of temperature.


| But c is not necessarily lightspeed. What it is, I don't know.
|
| [rest snipped]

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