Re: Quantum theory: A resonance effect?


"slehar" <slehar@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> You've described the collapse of (a classical-like) wave.
>> The thing is that it has to happen virtually instantaneously.
>> The detectors could be spaced lightyears apart yet when
>> one detected the "photon" the other must instantly know
>> (in order to match experiments).
>> Effects out-running the speed of light are troubling.
>
> Again, pardon my naivevity if I am way off-base, but didn't Feynman
> posit particles travelling backwards in time to account for exactly
> this kind of anomaly?

Yeah. Weird, isn't it.
So are you saying that if collapse is OK for QM then it
is OK for your semi-classical waves?
Are you saying it is OK to add that weirdness to your
wave theory which was intended to avoid that
weirdness in QM?

> I admit that my "explanation" (if something so
> vague can be described as such) does not dispel all of the mystery of
> quantum phenomena, all it attempts to dispel is the wave/particle
> duality by eliminating the particle component entirely, and the weird
> notion of wave functions collapsed by an observer. If one could dispel
> those two (in more detail than I can offer), that would itself be an
> accomplishment, would it not?

You would be guarenteed an invitation to Stokholm.

>
> Excuse me but the "multiverse" theory, even if it accounts for the
> experimental data, is about the most absurd thing I have ever heard of.
> I would rather believe that God plays dice with the Devil on a barrel
> of rum in hell, than that He spawns an entire new universe with
> everything in it, for every one of the billions and billions of quantum
> events going on in even the smallest chunk of matter! I know that
> quantum theorists have to be ready for counter-intuitive weirdnesses,
> but that one is really just going too far!

It's pretty far alright.

>
> I will have to look up the Bohm stuff--I always liked the way he
> thinks, as much as I can grasp, although I am easily scared off by even
> simple mathematics.
>
>> I wonder what kind of consciousness is necessary in
>> order to collapse the wave function. Does it have to
>> have a certain IQ? Can a dog collapse a wave function?
>> How about a spider? Worm?
>
> Exactly my thoughts!
>
> But an explanation in terms of resonance effects sounds very appealing
> to me. Again as a non-physicist math-impaired mental-image dreamer, I
> suspect that the universe is entirely analog, and that the *only* thing
> that makes it discrete is resonance!

I am also open to the possibility that that may be
impossible to determine.

> It is resonance that determines
> that all particles of a certain type (protons, neutrons, electrons...)
> are identical, (isn't that the essence of string theory?)

I don't know enough to answer definitively but that
sounds right.

> and resonance
> determines the discrete energy levels of electron orbitals, and
> resonance determines the periodicity in the periodic table, and
> resonance explains the emmission and absorption of waves, and so on and
> so forth.

No offense but that seems to me to be a bit of
an over generalization.

>
> I have a personal interest in resonance for another reason, and that is
> that I have proposed a theory that electrochemical standing (and
> travelling) waves in the brain play an important role in the
> computational principle of brain function, and it is the resonance
> principle of our brains that explains our special affinity to music

It seems more likely to me that various things in nature that
have bearing on survival also produce sounds (lions roar, rumble
of rocks falling, buzz of honey bees, baby's cry).
Evolution has selected us to have some programmed
responses (mental states/feeling) to sounds. Music, as all sound,
stimulates
those same circuits elliciting a mixture of the associated
states/feelings.

> (another pure resonance phenomenon of magnificent complexity!), as well
> as our periodic and symmetrical gyrations in human dance, as well as
> our affinity to periodic and symmetrical patterns in ornamental art and
> architecture. You can see the computational functionality of resonance
> already in the simplest primitive creatures, like the single-celled
> paramecium, whose cilia wave in synchronized travelling waves for
> propulsion, and the tentacles of jellyfish that also wave in periodic
> symmetrical patterns, and in the periodic / symmetrical patterns of the
> gaits of a horse (or other quadruped) such as the gallop, canter, trot,
> etc, which correspond directly to the modes of oscillation of four
> coupled oscilators, and so on and so forth. Harmonic resonance provides
> the spatial and temporal "templates" that determine our spatial and
> temporal perception and behavior.
>
> ( http://cns-alumni.bu.edu/~slehar/webstuff/dirhr1/dirhr1.html
>
> http://cns-alumni.bu.edu/~slehar/webstuff/hr1/hr1.html )
>
> But thats another subject for another newsgroup!
>
> Steve Lehar
>

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rb


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