Re: Sir Karl Popper on Einstein's Block Universe


Publius wrote:
> spam@xxxxxxx (Bob) wrote in news:43a6c4e3.154282250@news-
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>
> > On 18 Dec 2005 21:15:43 -0800, "shevek4@xxxxxxxxx" <shevek4@xxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>QM emerged from a classical realm. The notation and mathematics is all
> >>from classical statistical physics.. and it can be interpreted
> >>accordingly:
> >
> >>http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0112049
> >
> > I wonder how many people here have read the works of ET Jaynes.
>
> ??
>
> You are citing Jaynes, who denies the reality of ZP fluctuations (as other
> than local phenomena) and who defines the "Mind Projection Fallacy" as,
>
> "As soon as the error had a definite name and description it was much
> easier to recognize. Once one has grasped the idea one sees the Mind
> Projection Fallacy everywhere; what we have been taught as deep wisdom is
> stripped of its pretensions and seen to be instead a foolish *non-
> sequiter*. The error occurs in two complementary forms which we might
> indicate thus:
> !
> (A) (My own imagination) ---> (Real property of Nature)
> (B) (My own ignorance) ---> (Nature is indeterminate)
>
> Form (B) arose out of quantum theory; instead of covering up our ignorance
> with fanciful assumptions about reality one accepts that ignorance but
> attributes it to Nature. Thus in the Copenhagen Interpretation of quantum
> theory, whatever is left undetermined in a pure state [psi] is held to be
> unkmown not only to us, but also to Nature herself. That is, one claims
> that [psi] represents a physically real 'propensity' to cause events in a
> statistical sense (a certain proportion of times on the average over many
> repetitions of an experiment) but denies the existence of physical causes
> for the individual events below the level of [psi]. lts zealots accuse
> those who speculate about such causes of being 'obsolete mechanistic
> materialists', to borrow a favorite phrase."
> ---http://bayes.wustl.edu/etj/articles/prob.as.logic.pdf

Thanks for the quote -

It looks like he isn't denying the existence of ZP fluctuations but the
opposite - saying that they are real and have causes that could be
determined.

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