Re: The Turing test tells us nothing really.


Mark Martin wrote:
> rick_sobie@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > And yes, you would want it to be able to play CD's DVD's from third
> > party manufacturers, so that they would record, activity and voice, and
> > your robot would then perform for you. Stand up comedy, or Othello, or
> > whatever it was capable of doing.
> >
> > The actual movement, the getting up, when it falls down, that might be
> > the difficult part, and you might at first, need to perhaps have a
> > centering function. Lets say a chair, by your game board, and so it
> > wipes out, you center your robot, and it can then go off and continue
> > from there. People would do that. "Johnny get the chanell changer"
> > becomes, "Johnny go center the robot"
> >
> > It would have weighted feet, and that would keep it upright.
> >
> > A real spastic model, which needed a wire frame walker, like a hoola
> > hoop, would still be interesting because it has upper body movements.
>
> What in the hell has all this fantasy robot crap to do with your
> initial hollow Moon crap?
>
> -Mark Martin

The moon crap was an example of how man misidentifies things, and hence
to use man, as the judge of sentience, is unreliable and un-scientific.

The real crux of this thread is of course thinking machines and robots.

Where we have waited long enough, for people to try and create a
thinking robot, and so I am suggesting we use human brains, to control
our robots, and just focus on the engineering of these things. Then we
can make robots a reality in our time.

And I have laid out, how we could do that, simply by making a cheap
lightweight robot, made of nerf foam material, and plastic skeletan,
and servos and wireless.

Take two people, one in one room in Europe, oanother in North America.

They each have on longjohns, which have sensors.
The person in Europe, by moving in relation to his pc, which of course
is picking up his sensor position relative to his pc, operates the
robot in North America, by the offset from that robot there relative to
that person's pc.

Sp then what you have is two people with robots in their houses, and
both certainly pass the Turing test, because they in fact are human
operated machines.

A human humunculous within the robot, via the Internet.

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