Re: How big is the Universe?

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Der alte Hexenmeister wrote: 
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Happy Hippy wrote: 
Is a nonsensical question.
Big compared to what? There is nothing
to compare it to. It is everything there is.
How big was the ha ha singularity ha ha?
[Davidson]
...you sound like hanson having an asthma attack... 
[hanson]
... ahahaha... Tom-Tom, I thought you killfiled me for me having
made remarks about posters instead of their messages...
Seems that your have learned from me. You can come out of
the closet now... ahahaha... and cough freely, Tom... ahahaha...
[Hippy]

It was everything.
How big is it now?
It is everything.
[Davidson] 
It is just big enough to *contain* everything.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

[Andro] 
You've just said the universe is the set of all sets.
 http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/russell-paradox/

[Bane] 
Yes seems so, if it contains everything it must contain itself.
If it containts itself one gets infinite recursion.
If it does not contains itself then there must be
something else that contains universe and so on.
Greetings, Bane.
[Andro] 
1 = 1 * 1
 =  (1*1)  * (1* 1)
 =  [(1*1)  * (1* 1)] * [(1*1)  * (1* 1)]
Infinite recursion. I should have said 1 = 1/1 instead. :-)
So what's the problem with infinite recursion?
Isn't that Xeno's paradox?
Before you can get there you must get halfway there, infinite recursion.
Do you arrive at 0 before you begin the journey, because before you get
to 1/2,you must get to a 1/4, and before that you must get to 1/8...
or do you get to 1 because you went to 1/2  then 3/4 then 7/8...
Hexenmeister.

[hanson]
I wonder more WHY there is such a preoccupation with this
subject.  My take is that it is in the final analysis a search for
where/at which place/rank we humans sit  in the MLT "pecking
order"/size comparison in the universe. --- But, basically we
have no idea where we are/belong on this cosmic totem pole.
Upwardly are the light walls, an artificial construct, and down-
wardly the Planck domains limits, also just an artificial stop,
lightspeed another heuristic, but artificial limit, etc,etc...
But are these real and final limits? If they are not and if zero
and infinity are more real, then why even search for our place?
ahahaha... ahahaha...


The problem is essentially one of trying to use mathematics
without knowing the rules of mathematics. A number of individuals
wrongly believe division by zero is infinity because they extrapolate
an asymptote. Division by zero is undefined.


It is defined as infinity, or we can't draw such nice asymptotes
function graphs.

a = b
a^2 = ab
a^2-b^2 = ab - b^2
(a+b)(a-b) = b(a-b)
Cancelling (a-b) both sides,


you can;t cancel multiplication by 0 because
0 * anything == 0
so 0 * 1/0 == 0 * inf == 0

a+b = b
but a = b, given, so
b+b =b
2b = b
2 = 1


you got this because of error in calculation.

Either the division by a-b was division by zero or a <> b.
No infinity was used.


You have canceled multiplication by zero which affects result
of equation.

It is trivial to prove 3 = 1 in  similar fashion, and that
time can be sawn in half.
2AB/(t'A-tA) = c = 0.


This obviously works only if A != B => t'A > tA .
if A == B and t'A == ta that means that nothing moved
so speed is infinity in this case, not zero.
1) 2AA*1/0 == 2AA * inf == inf , if A != 0 and A==B
2) 0 * 1/0 == 0* inf == 0, if A == 0, A==B

All of relativity, all the black holes, all of "modern" physics
reduce to that simple blunder.
Einstein "discovered" nothing. Literally.

First reported to this newsgroup
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/4674b29449f08fb0?hl=en

Hexenmeister.



Greetings, Bane.
.

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