Re: Is time dilation real?

"Spaceman" <Realspace@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> 2 clocks kept on Earth keep the same rate for
> 1 year.
> 1 of these clocks is sent to outerspace
> and returns with a different time on the face.
>
> what is wrong?
> simple
> the clock malfunctioned in it's proper operation.
> It changed its physical rate of 'ticking' while in motion
> and changing enviromental conditions.
> This is a time dilation problem and it is a physical malfunction
> in the clocks rate because of changes in g-forces etc that affected
> the clocks rate of time keeping.

So you're starting the argument all over again,
throwing out all previous points made as though
they never happened? This does not bode well.

Okay, so now I suppose I'll have to go back to the
beginning as well and point you to the original
Hafele-Keating experiment which involved clocks
in three distinct reference frames all showing
different rates while in their respective frames
and different reading when brought together again.
They all exhibited the same rate when together.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/airtim.html

Obviously there's no single "fix" that can make all
three clocks agree if they are all affected by
the same malfunction yet show different rates when
in different frames of reference, and show the same
rates when brought together again by various routes
and means.

>
> Those who do not understand this simple fact, should
> learn the basics of measurement and timing. and forget about physics
> until you can grasp this simple concept.

Trivial relativistic corrections remove all problems
with all such clocks. There's nothing that can
possibly be done to clocks that could improve upon
this. So what's your problem?

>
> It is a real effect, but it is not time itself changing rate.
> Timing things is an abstracted measurement system created by humans.
> Such timing is supposed to be invariant.

Only in a newtonian universe. The bad news for you is
that the universe turns out to NOT be Newtonian, but
rather relativistic. This is not by choice, but by
observed fact.

> If it is not invariant, it is not times fault, it is the clocks. (timing
> device)

If it's not the clock's fault and in fact if all clocks
behave perfectly predictably under a Relativistic model,
then the fault must lie with the person who insists that
the universe play by his antiquated Newtonian rules rather
than the rules that actually obtain.


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