Re: Compressed air might blow the oil-gas-petrol profits
- From: Hero.van.Jindelt@xxxxxx
- Date: 5 Feb 2006 12:38:11 -0800
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
In sci.physics, Hero.van.Jindelt@xxxxxxI have a scenario of my own. Living in East Frisia, here it's like the
<Hero.van.Jindelt@xxxxxx>
wrote
on 2 Feb 2006 16:23:45 -0800
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http://www.theaircar.com/aboutmdi.html
Enjoy
Hero
I wouldn't bet on that. Compressed air is merely an energy
conveyor; something has to pressurize the tank.
What is that something?
It turns out the link is referring to some sort of hybrid
vehicle using compressed air, a small electric motor, and
standard petrol/gasoline. The pistons are moved using an
unusual camshaft arrangement, the details of which aren't
available (trade secrets). It is not clear whether the
air tank is prepressurized or whether it is used as some
sort of buffer, compressed by the action of the engine
during operation.
netherlands with lot's of windmills, one can make use of the
electricity of these wind"mills" when there's abundant wind, to fill
bottles with compressed air. These can be sold to wind-car owners ( and
used for generating electricty, when there's not much wind).
One can recycle the warmth, when producing the bottles with compressed
I also see no numeric claims of fuel consumption. How many
mpg would this engine get, were it placed in a car and
compared against a standard reciprocating piston engine
of equal power?
The FAQ suggests that the engine refills the tanks (by
running in "compressor mode"), taking about 6 hours.
That is a huge buffer, from an engineering standpoint.
The pressurization is 300 bars (30 million Pascal). If we
assume a 100 kW engine, dedicating 10 kW to pressurization,
we might get a workable engine, for a small-to-midsize
auto.
Assume an air reservoir of size V, initially at pressure P
(with respect to vacuum). The engine does some
work dW, and we then get V at pressure P + dP. In the
usual setup we get V at pressure P and dV at pressure P_0;
the work is then done by a piston pushing against the air.
Therefore, (P + dP)V = PV + P_0 dV unless temperature
effects are considered -- and ideally they would be, as
one discovers after pumping up a bicycle tire with (in
my case) a unit standing on the floor; that pump's metal
casing gets fairly warm. ...
air.
...However, I don't know how toIt's about 1 euro for "Diesel" and a bit more for "Benzin"(=benzinum),
compute temperature issues in gas compression at this time.
If (P + dP)V = PV + P_0 dV then V dP = P_0 dV.
If we assume a piston with area A, the pressure P yields
a force on that piston of F = (P - P_0)*A, and dV = A dx,
or dx = dV/A. dW = F dx = F/A dV = (P - P_0) dV = V(P-P_0)/P_0 dP.
Integrating from P_0 = 10^5 to P_1 = 3 *10^7 Pa, we get
(V/P_0) * ((P_1^2 - P_0^2)/2 - (P_1 - P_0))
= V * 1.4999832 * 10^7
6 hours = 21,600 seconds. Therefore, the amount of power
(call it W_p) dedicated to tank pressurization is such that
W_p * 21600 = V * 1.4999832 * 10^7
V = W_p / 694.44
Considering that a midsize auto might have a few cubic meters
of cargo space this is highly unreasonable, and therefore I've
overestimated the amount of power (W_p). Maybe 100 watts, yielding
a 14.4 liter air tank. Of course it is still going to take
about 2.16 megaJoules to fully pressurize that tank, no matter how
one does it.
Which leads one to the 1.5 euros estimate. A liter of gas is
about 35 megajoules or thereabouts, and may cost 3-4 euros.
but this is going to increase, as long as firms like shell want to
stay at the top of profitmaking companies.
(It costs $2.50 or so a gallon around here, but the US taxesActually this car is runing, some people bought it already and i would
are lower.) This indicates that 1.5 euros is a gross overestimate
of the cost of that energy; a more realistic estimate would be
25 "eurocents", unless I assume a 86.4 liter tank -- a possibility,
but it will sap 600 watts of power.
There is some good news. 86.4 liters of 300 bar air would be such
that;
n = PV/(RT) = 3*10^7 * (0.0864) / (8.314472 * 290) = 1075 moles
or 31 kg.
86.4 liters of fuel, by contrast, would weigh maybe 73 kg.
--
really like to see one or better to sit inside.
One problem might be the acceleration. As You have good knowledge of
physics, what acceleration one can get out of an "shot" of let's say
one tenth of a liter of compressed air of a pressure of 300 bars with a
car weighing 500 kilogramms in a rocket-like mode?
(And it would make a thrusting sound very interesting to young people,
who let the engines of their motor bikes roar).
And what is also nice, there's no pollution - except for the
construction, if they didn't use air or sunenergy. Actually,. who is
throwing away litter is responsible for cleaning it up, the same with
polluted water, one cannot release it into the rivers or sea, one has
to pay for cleaning it. The only exception - nuclear waste, there they
wouldn't earn money with it, if they had to care for the waste - so
we/they leave this to future generations to pay for.
Enjoy
Hero
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