Re: Fraud in Experimental and Theoretical Science


Spaceman wrote:
"PD" <TheDraperFamily@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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| The 941 synchronized his two clocks according to the procedure we
| outlined, which we said was a perfectly legitimate way to synchronize
| the clocks and you agreed with that.
|
| The 445 synchronized his two clocks according to the procedure we
| outlined, which we said was a perfectly legitimate way to synchronize
| the clocks and you agreed with that.

So why can't we syncronize all four clocks?
You won't allow that right?
:)

You yourself said very early on that two clocks can't be synchronized
if they are moving with respect to each other. You said that at the
beginning of our discussion how to synchronized clocks. :>)

The 941 clocks are moving with respect to the 445 clocks.

Plus, if you read what I said, I said it IS possible to get all four
clocks to agree, But then either the 941 clocks or the 445 clocks will
fail the synchronization check that we said was good for checking that.
And you still haven't said how you would determine which frame of
reference *should* be the one that all clocks are forced to, and what
physical basis you have for that choice.

If we *did* force the 445 clocks, say, to match the 941 clocks, then
there'd be another problem: The yellowish flashes would arrive at the
445 camera at different times, but the 445 clocks would say they hit at
the same time -- that they were simultaneous. Well, then you'd have to
figure out why the light took a different time to reach the 445 camera,
even though the yellowish bolts struck at equal distances from the 445
camera, and it is *experimentally verifiable* that the speed of light
in both directions from the yellowish bolts to the 445 camera is the
same. And so you'd be back to square one -- all the clocks say the
yellowish bolts are simultaneous *but*:
1. The light doesn't cover equal distances in equal times, even though
the speed of light is measurably the same.
2. The 445 clocks no longer satisfy the synchronization check
procedure, which we can't find any holes in.
3. We can't be sure we made the *right* choice in forcing the 445
clocks to match the 941 clocks, as opposed to some other choice.


PD


| Moreover, there is NO synchronization procedure that has ever been
| found that the 941 and the 445 clocks could BOTH use that would result
| in them agreeing on simultaneity.

what?
lol
4 clocks could be synced but of course
you won't allow that huh?


| At this point, you really have to start asking yourself, "So why am I
| so convinced that simultaneity *must* be an observer-independent
| property? What experimental evidence do I have that it is? What
| physical principle would be violated if it were not? Or is it just my
| notions about how I think nature *should* behave?"

No,
at this point I am amazed you can actually pull such
stuff out of your "rubber ruler books"
and ignore anything about the board dropping mass
thread I have posted and you refuse to prove the dropping
of the mass was not simultaneous.

YOU asked ME on January 25th to tell how SR would explain time dilation
and length contraction, and that is what I'm doing. I'm not interested
in doing the explanation twice in different places. We've been taking
it a step at a time, and I've been asking you every now and again if
everything is ok so far. The floor is still open for you to point out
what went wrong where here. So far, you haven't found out what the
problem is, though you seem to be pretty "amazed" at where we ended up.

Such is the plight of the fella that can't tolerate being surprised.

PD

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