Re: The train and the light inside.


Spaceman wrote:
"tomgee" <tyropress@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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To argue your opinion as a fact, you need to show some support for it.
As I see it, you can show where time is a property of something other
than matter, show where experiment has shown time is not a property of
matter, or argue why time cannot be a property of matter.

You made the claim,
You need to show that time is a property of matter.
I need to only wait until you do such.
Nobody has yet.
I would love to see you do it.
:)

I made the claim and also showed why I asserted it. You only denied my
idea is correct but gave no reason for your denial. But anyway, let me
put it this way:

P1. Time is the fourth dimension of our universe.

P2. Space and discrete matter are the two most-general things humans
can observe in the universe.

P3. We cannot observe space, we can only see through it and so we can
only think of it as an indiscrete vastness, the region between all
celestial bodies in the universe, the unbounded 3d expanse or "void",
or the medium in which all matter exists.

P4. All discrete objects age, which indicates they exist in the time
dimension.

P5. The Twin Paradox and other thought experiments indicate that the
rate of the passage of time varies inversely proportional to an
object's state of motion.

P6. Thus, while all objects exist in the time dimension, their time
rates vary in accordance with their various states of motion.

C7. Since time rates depend on the individual states of motion of
discrete objects, time is a property of matter.

The way we measure the passage of time is invented by humans, but the
time dimension of the universe and the various time rates that accrue
to objects in it is not a human invention.

Time dimension?
That is also an invention of humans.

No. Unless you think we invented aging.

Sorry,
you still lose.

No, you lose.

You are still using human inventions as physical properties?
That is pretty good.

So, you believe it is valid to argue against the tools we humans use,
including the use of time as a measurable dimension labeling of events?
No one is saying that the passage of time is a tool. Aging is the
proof of entropy upon which the second law of Thermodynamics stands.
You cannot have aging without the passage of time, and our tools of
measurement did not invent time or time rates, they serve us only as
tools. Furthermore, you are only fooling yourself in thinking that
science does not see time as a physical property:

Dimension:
"physics property defining physical quantity: any of a group of
properties or magnitudes, such as mass or time, that collectively
define a physical quantity"
(Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library 2005. © 1993-2004 Microsoft
Corporation. All rights reserved.)

Nope.
The clock did not malfunction.

End results of all SR testing proves the clock did
malfunction.

That's false.

It simply did not keep the same rate of time
as the Earth based clock did.
You lose yet again.

It did not keep the same rate of time but it was not due to
malfunction. Decay rates do not "malfunction".

.

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