Re: Euclids postulates and non-Euclidean geometry


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Well, the problem is everything is recessing from everything else. Where
is the centre?

If everything is truly recessing from everything than somehwhere
there is a middle of such.

It is common to think this, yet it seems to not be true.

Seems to?
The way you are describing the universe expansion is a way
which no age could be determined at all.


Everything we can measure is recessing from everything else, yet there is
no determinable centre.

How do you know they are recessing if you can not provide
a recession point?


I can only explain this by resorting to a two dimensional analogy, which
you refuse to accept as relevant, so it really is up to you to work out
how you visualise this.

You can't explain it using 2 dimensions only because that would ignore
the reality of 3 dimensions.
so even if you do such, it would be an ignorant explanation only.


Well, no. Everything in the explosion is recessing from the centre.

Yup,
Just like the universe.
That is how astronomers gathered an age from such also.


Study the blast patterns and shockwave intensity from a blast and you can
see that everything in an explosion is recessing from the point of the
explosion. Often this creates a blast which fills a three dimensional
volume but is not made up of particles recessing from each other at
increasing speeds.

In the universal model it is different.

No,
It is the same, only much larger with more mass.

Sure it does.
the entire inside of the balloon is expanding space.

Which is different to the reality of the universe. In the universe
everything recessess from everything else. In a balloon the balloon simply
expands.

Again, you have no proof until you can find a recession point.


You are the one that cant' find a center.

Not just me. I defy you to show me anyone who has actually found the
centre of the universe.

It has been guessed and such a guess also created the age of the universe.


The only way you could not find such is by ingoring the
center and concentrating on the expansion points.

Ok. Where is the centre then?

Where everything is receding from.
Duh!


You can attempt to visualise this in any way you wish.

I visualize it as it would have to have a center, of they are
not truly expanding outward

Well, your visualisation is flawed when it comes to the observational
data.

Nope,
not at all,
To bad you can't grasp it since it is the reality of 3D that somehow
escapes you now.


If you visualise a centre, where is it? How do you determine the centre of
a three dimensional expansion in every direction?

Try it.

How do you know it is all expanding in 3 dimension if you have not
found a center of the expansion at all?


How did you find the age if you have no center to judge
the expansion from?

Spooky isnt it. Maybe it was scientific magic.

In reality the age of the universe is based on many things - none of which
require a centre point to start the expansion from.

You truly are lost..
LOL


So it doesnt look like a straight line in all three dimensions then?
Your original statement was the line had to look straight in all three
dimensions - now you say it looks like a straight line in two but not
the third.

Actually it does also look like a line in the third,.
If you move in the plane you see the dot, you will see the line form

If you observe your three dimensional line you see a combination of | _
and .

Only one of them isnt a straight line because there is at least one
dimension your line isnt moving any significant distance in.

If you rotate the object you are looking at a different dimension.

Wow.
Apparently you have no clue how the 3 planes of dimensions work.
Now I know you never actually used a 3D program..
LOL.

My ideas have no problems with cosmological nor the quantum scales.

But they do have problems on both scales.

Nope.
No problems at all.
Too bad you can't grasp that fact.

So, describe the straight line between two large scale structures that
represents the shortest distance when they are recessing in all three
dimensions.

It is straight and has no curves no matter what angle you look at it from.



It doesnt provide an answer. Maybe I am not as good at it as you are. Can
you show me how?

Draw a single line from one point to another.
the program (if it is good for actual 3D processing) will make the line
straight.


Why do you keep repeating this even when you have been given an answer
that works already.

Nope. It doesnt work here. You make the model and show it to me. Then I
can learn from you.

You said you know how to use a 3D program.
make a line in it.
sheesh.
You either love to troll or you have never used a good 3D program
in your life.




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