Re: Physics of the 9/11 building collapses?

Schoenfeld wrote:

The evidence suggests that UBL and co were real terrorists and really
were planning to fly airliners into WTC.

It would seem a good portion of the "evidence" used to persuade me that UBL
was behind the attacks has been called into question. The "confession"
videos are almost certainly fake. As it turns out, several of the alleged
suicide hijackers are denying that they killed themselves on 9/11/01. Are
they lying? You say "the evidence". I ask what evidence other than
"expert opinion" are you talking about?

The evidence also suggests
that the buildings came down in a way not consistent with offical
explanation, or with any_pancake_model_configuration. In place
free-falling buildings are the result of demolition, and only
demolition, which implies then that insiders merely preempted UBL and
co and "made it happen" in a "new pearl harbour" kind of way. That's
not very difficult to piece of together at all, and is perfectly
consistent with the money trail and massive profits gained through
abnormal put option trading and 'lucky' insurance policies taken out
just prior to the event.

There are many such suspicious facts surrounding the events of 9/11/01.
Some of them may simply be coincidence. I prefer to begin with the most
tangible aspects.


The simple fact that academia fully endorse (bar a handful of folks)
the official pancake model shows that by and large, it does not examine
the evidence or is too lazy to do so.

I looked at Greening's paper, and came to the conclusion that, either he is
not very good at abstraction, or he is intentionally trying to muddle the
issue. What I was is a convincing formula for calculating the work
required to crush one floor of a WTC Tower as a fraction of the work needed
to raise the mass above it by the height of a floor. Mind you, the lower
floors could withstand the force produced by the torque of strong winds
pushing against the entire height of the structure, in addition to the
weight of the building.

What I'm looking for is some reasonably convincing and easy to understand
argument to show people that these collapses were virtually impossible
without some kind of controlled demolition.

That they seriously expect people
to believe that WTC 7 did an in place freefall collapse due to couple
of hours of FIRE DAMAGE reveals they're a hopeless failure which can't
be trusted whatsoever. This is unfortunate, but it is the way it
appears to be.

How many have even looked at it carefully? I was pretty dismissive of the
idea that the buildings were taken down by controlled demolition, but I
wasn't aware of WTC 7 at the time.

This was a persuasive influence that really got me thinking.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=964034652002408586&q=professor+jones

Sometimes it's not the well-recognized authority figure who is the most
persuasive.

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/
http://www.germarrudolf.com/
http://www.ice.gov/graphics/news/newsreleases/articles/051115chicago.htm

You are wasting your time trying to convince people of this. It doesn't
work, it won't work until a high profile figure tells them what to
believe (again).

I there are two issues here. The first is whether there were homicidal
gaschambers at Auschwitz. The second is whether a person has a right to
express an informed opinion that there were no such gaschambers. The
former is a subject open to discussion. The later is a self-evident
inalienable right.

This describes a serious violation of US law on the part of the DHS:
http://www.ice.gov/pi/news/newsreleases/articles/051115chicago.htm

Regardless of what people think about Germar Rudolf's ideas and opinions,
they should be outraged that he has been treated as he has. I have read
much of his writing, and what he presents is morally and intellectually
sound. But I really don't want to get into that here. I will just recall
the phrase "E pur si muove."
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http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/
http://www.germarrudolf.com/
http://www.ice.gov/graphics/news/newsreleases/articles/051115chicago.htm
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