Re: "Testing Einstein in Space: The Gravity Probe B Mission"

Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 20 May 2006 16:11:58 GMT) it happened Sam Wormley
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The Ghost In The Machine wrote:

On Fri, 19 May 2006 21:33:14 +0000, Sam Wormley wrote:



Jan Panteltje wrote:


On a sunny day (Fri, 19 May 2006 21:15:06 GMT) it happened Sam Wormley
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Models are mathematical


Need not be.

There are many models possible.
Start thinking.

Can you give us an example of a model in physics that is
not mathematical, Jan Panteltje?


Math is a communications method. Of course, it's far more elegant to
state

(x,y) = (x_0 + v_x*t, -1/2gt^2 + v_y*t + y_0)

than to try to describe the motion of a ball using verbiage, unless one
uses shorthands such as "parabola".

However, a child catches a ball by modeling, at least implicitly, the
flight of the ball as it nears his hand, glove, or the traditional
jai-alai wicker basket. No math required there, though everything
improves with practice. :-)


Granted a child catches a ball by some neurological processes involving
learned "algorithms" in the brain, but in the context of this thread on
"Testing Einstein in Space: The Gravity Probe B Mission", "model" refers
to mathematical expressions relating to the physical world that have
predictive power and hopefully are in agreement with previous observations.


... .... .. OK make peace not war.... in graffity probe B you can just as well
use the MODEL of Le Saga particles, that would exibit some dragging (along)
near an object of mass.
And it would (that MODEL) also explain why things spiral inwards, without the
need for 'graffity waves', and those 'graffity waves' is what has not been
observed.
OneStones lack of a MODEL (for light speed is same for all observers) and lack
of 'cause and effect (for c)', and his replacement by all that by MATH is
delusional.
Illusional, and leads nowhere.
Hopefully the Podklednov / ESA experiments and results will kick the bottom
away under OneStones religion and his followers.
But hey, earth was flat for a very long time....
And the photon is no particle....
etc etc etc
But whats the use, hell even I can write those formulas.
You can write all formulas you want, but may not be able to catch that ball.
No, the brain does NOT use an 'algorithm'.
You can try to model it with one.
And fail.



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