Re: Why is space observed to be geometrically flat?




zitterbewegung@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
I was thinking about this while I was walking home during my schooling
at my local high school. We observe space to be geometrically flat
while Einstein tells us that space is curved. There are many
observations that show us that space is in fact curved but initial
observations tell us that space should but not is flat.

First, Einstein's GR talks about spacetime curvature. That is
completely different from your naive concept of space and time. It is a
4-D continuum.

Second, why in the world would anyone think that space, a human
artrifact and merely a concept, would 'curve'? that would make it some
kind of substance. There is no such evidence that space is some kind of
substance.

Therefore what if there was a large amount of matter that gave space a
curvature in the negative direction. Let us assume that space is in
fact curved in one direction. And there is a massive amount of matter
that curves space in the opposite direction to give it is observed
geometrical properties of looking flat but in fact it has a very low
but observed curvature.


Mass curves spacetime. Those that think that space curves in the
presense of mass-energy are cranks. Space is a mathematical
abstraction. Mass is a measurable quantity. the two can only mix in
mathematical models.

Therefore there is only one theoretical formulation that would fit
under this category. It would have to be some sort of dark energy or
dark matter that has the single property of curving space in the
opposite direction which gives it the illusion of being flat while in
reality space is a curved manifold being opposed by a large amount of
matter that has the odd property of curving it in the opposite
direction.


Which, as I said, dreams of space as some kind of substance.

The next question is what is all of the matter doing here? I assume
that this matter is here to encode all possible quantum states. Since
this would be a large amount of matter then we have the largeness that
would curve space in one direction. Also this matter has the property
of curving space-time in the opposite direction.

Which way is up?


Mike

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