Re: Thoughts on why space must have three dimensions


Timothy Golden BandTechnology.com wrote:
Sue... wrote:
Timothy Golden BandTechnology.com wrote:
Sue... wrote:
<< The major issue we have left to address is the origin
of four-dimensional gravity. We now suggest several rea-
sons that four-dimensional gravity can exist, leaving the
details for a forthcoming publication. Perhaps the least
interesting possibility is that dimensions are in fact com-
pact. One way our analysis could apply in that case is if
nine spatial dimensions expand to a large size in the early
evolution of the universe, and only afterwards stabilize at
a small size. Or the universe gets e ectively compacti-
fied without moduli fields due to the presence of the 7-
branes, which can effectively compactify dimensions as
in Ref. [13]. 7-branes are codimension 2 branes in 10d
and as such they change the metric not just in their local
neighborhood, but also affect the global geometry. >>
"Relaxing to Three Dimensions"
http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0506053

There is a philosophical problem with this argument.
If we pose the question

'why three-dimensional space?'

The structural rigidity of a triangle. The inverse square distance law
Maxwell's equations... I could go on.


And we answer with nine-dimensional space we are then left with the
question

'why nine-dimensional space?'

Because you prefer three closets to a yard sale?

Actually I like yard sales but they do lead to closets full of stuff.
The farcical nature of some of this stuff gives religionists way too
much fodder to fight back against science. Still, science admits an
openness to fallibility. Could it be that the religious scientists are
turning newspapers into comic books? That's a conspiracy theory.
I wouldn't put it past them. Perhaps we need a survey of string
theorists and their religious beliefs. Oh well, we are all on the same
boat. It's the ones who claim to be on a different boat ride that I
have a hard time with.



I once emailed Lisa Randall to this effect but never heard back.
I believe the answer is that there is no upper bound. The polysign
construction of spacetime supports this conclusion:

http://bandtechnology.com/PolySigned/PolySigned.html

Under polysign whether higher dimensions are supported or not there is
still a natural basis for spacetime. That the progression should just
stop is doubtful. Rather than curled up higher dimensions perhaps the
context of misbehaved higher dimensions will eventually take hold. If
they misbehave by curling up that would be a nice consistency. Nicer
yet would be that they just vanish.

Your polysign is a space-time (as opposed to a space) so I
don't get that knee jerk skepticism that Lisa's ruminations
evoke. Still... the mathmatical properties are, to me at least
in the category of a magic square until something testable
is described.
I remember you didn't feel confident expressing Maxwell's
equations in your construction (they *are* daunting in 3+1)
and I have been trying to come up with something simpler.
To no avail. Anything you could come up with to illustrate
the superposition of moving charges in your space-time
might spark some insight where someone else can help
to connect a few dots to a physical application.

Right. I'm working on it. Hopefully others are too, or at least getting
some fodder.
Gravity is the untouchable big one. One-signed charge could be the
answer. As you know the one-signed numbers do this strange
zero-dimenional behavior. If in that way one-signed charge were to
vanish it would put mass down there below electromagnetism. How one
would get to particles of such huge mass discrepancies (electron versus
proton) I cannot see. There is a maze of symmetry in the polysign
domain. The dimensionality does allow for major changes as one follows
the progression. Beyond these abstract concepts I have no substantial
math yet. The structures have come together some but still as you say
there needs to be some particle model. Soon I hope.

Maybe you can model the delay experienced by a roller skate
when it is dragged by an elastic cord. The elastic cord has a
reciprocal relationship with its end to end distance when
compared to the Coulomb force, but other than that, it is not a
bad analogy to the retarded potential of Maxwell's time dependent
equations.

If it works, then the factor that should be its reciprocal might
be obvious... to you anyway. ;-)

Sue...


-Tim

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