Re: The only way you could live a bit longer.
- From: "Jong Kim" <rhl71@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:06:40 -0700
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This truth as well as any other is satisfactorily discerned
only by manifestations of the Holy Ghost. To the natural man,
however, it is but foolishness.
ANY other?
Besides the fact that Art Bulla is the One Mighty and Strong, just as Jesus
of Nazareth is the Christ, the Only Begotten of the Father?
There are no "truths" that might be clearly demonstrated by
both the Holy Ghost to the satisfaction of the believer and
the scientific method to the satisfaction of the non-believer?
That Sir Francis Bacon is William Shakespeare the Bard. There are plenty of
evidences strongly suggesting that this has to be true, but no one in this
generation has ever even lived at that time, so there is always a little bit
of doubt. For instance, there is always a possibility that some of the
literary evidences were fabricated. But the Holy Ghost has testified to me
that
the claim of several scholars concerning the true identity of the man titled
the Bard is that Sir Francis, the acknowledged author of New Atlantis, or in
other
words, an anti-Christ. That is how I know for sure.
Journal of Discourses, Vol.2, Pg.184, Brigham Young, February 18, 1855:
"There is a spirit in man; and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them
understanding," and many who do not hold the Priesthood have ideas which are
really true, yet they are not always certain whether they are true or not.
Journal of Discourses, Vol.4, Pg.203, Brigham Young, February 1, 1857:
And when you come to the almighty philosophers, those who think they know so
much, they are in the same dilemma; their optic nerves and their glasses may
all deceive them. Unless a person is taught by the principle of eternity,
and is insured by those principles that dwell with the Gods, he may be in
doubt, because it is a doubtful case. All is doubtful, except what comes
from the Almighty in His revelations to His people.
---
For instance, the Foucault pendulum effect. Is it because the Earth is
rotating about its axis or is the pendulum's plane of oscillation really
rotating by some mysterious means? Draw your conclusion carefully, because
your natural eye may be deceived. I speak only for myself. The Holy Ghost
has not granted me a manifestation concerning this matter, but the Holy
Ghost
did grant me a manifestation that the ether is anisotropic (which initially
I had some difficulty visualizing in the framework of Dayton Miller's
interferometer observations), and then several days later I learned about
the work of Maurice Allais and soon afterwards read that Smoot and Mather
(of COBE
satellite fame) are going to be awarded this year's Nobel in physics. The
anisotropy of ether is not fully convincing except a person has received a
manifestation of the Spirit. Either that, or experience what what an
inspired (though he was probably not fully conscious of it) scientist like
Maurice Allais has experienced and
think the honest conclusions that he eventually arrived at, after much
pondering. Based alone on Maurice Allais's deductions drawn from his
pendulum observations and his analysis of the Dayton Miller data and also on
the COBE data showing anisotropy of the Cosmic Background Microwave
Radiation, an honest person that has not yet received
the heavenly witness can indeed say that anisotropy of ether is the most
plausible explanation. Therefore, ideas given by the
power/inspiration/suggestion of the Holy Ghost, rather than pure empiricism,
are at the pinnacle of the scientific method, for pure objectivity is one of
the requirements for receiving the Spirit's witness. Nikola Tesla claimed
that ideas for his inventions came from a source external to himself.
26 ... according to the spirit which they listed to obey, whether it be a
good spirit or a bad one.
27 For every man receiveth wages of him whom he listeth to obey, and this
according to the words of the spirit of prophecy; therefore let it be
according to the truth. ...
(Book of Mormon | Alma 3:26 - 27)
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
(New Testament | Matthew 7:20)
Maurice Allais (About the Aether Concept):
Nature doesn't leave any room to chance and all is determined by cause
and effect relationships. What's called hazard is nothing but a
representation of our ignorance. But the permanent nature of the statistical
laws shows the existence of a hidden order.
Journal of Discourses, Vol.4, Pg.202 - Pg.203, Brigham Young, February 1,
1857:
What do you know on natural principles? I do not say natural philosophy,
because my religion is natural philosophy. You never heard me preach a
doctrine but what has a natural system to it, and, when understood, is as
easy to comprehend as that two and two equal four. All the revelations of
the Lord Almighty to the children of men, and all revealed doctrines of
salvation are upon natural principles, upon natural philosophy.
Journal of Discourses, Vol.17, Pg.45 - Pg.47, Brigham Young, April 18, 1874:
Teach them lessons of beauty and usefulness while they are young, instead of
letting them play in the dirt, making mud balls, and drawing the mud in
their hats, and soiling their dresses, and cultivate their mental powers
from childhood up. When they are old enough, place within their reach the
advantages and benefits of a scientific education. Let them study the
formations of the earth, the organization of the human system, and other
sciences; such a system of mental culture and discipline in early years is
of incalculable benefit to it possessor in mature years. Take, for
instance, the young ladies now before me, as well as the young men, and form
a class in geology, in chemistry or mineralogy; and do not confine their
studies to theory only, but let them put in practice what they learn from
books, by defining the nature of the soil, the composition of decomposition
of a rock, how the earth was formed, its probable age, and so forth. All
these are problems which science attempts to solve, although some of the
views of our great scholars are undoubtedly very speculative. In the study
of the sciences I have named, our young folks will learn how it is that, in
traveling in our mountains, we frequently see sea shells--shells of the
oyster, clam, &c. Ask our boys and girls now to explain these things, and
they are not able to do so; but establish classes for the study of the
sciences, and they will become acquainted with the various facts they
furnish in regard to the condition of the earth. It is the duty of the
Latter-day Saints, according to the revelations, to give their children the
best educations that can be procured, both from the books of the world and
the revelations of the Lord. If our young men will study the sciences, they
will stop riding fast horses through the streets, and other folly and
nonsense which they are now guilty of, and they will become useful and
honorable members of the community.
I have been very much interested of late with regard to the studies and
researches of the geologists who have been investigating the geological
character of the Rocky Mountain country. Professor Marsh, of Yale College,
with a class of his students, has spent, I think, four summers in succession
in the practical study of geology in these mountain regions. What is the
result of his researches? There is one result, so far, that particularly
pleases me. There are some here who know a man by the name of John Hyde,
from London, formerly a member of this Church, who apostatized and went
back; and his great argument against the Book of Mormon was, that it stated
that the old Jaredites and, perhaps, the Nephites, who formerly lived on
this continent, had horses, while it is well knows that horses were unknown
to the aboriginal inhabitants of America when it was discovered by Columbus,
and that there were no horses here until they were imported for Europe.
Now, since Professor Marsh and his class began their investigations, they
have found among the fossil remains of the extinct animals of America no
less than fourteen different kinds of horses, varying in height from three
to nine feet. These discoveries made Professor Marsh's students feel almost
as though they could eat up these mountains, and their enthusiasm for
studying the geology of the regions around Bridger's Fort was raised to the
highest pitch. In their researches among these mountains they have formed
the opinion that there was once a large inland sea here, and they think they
have discovered the outlet where the water broke forth and formed Green
River. Here in these valleys and in these ranges of mountains we can follow
the ancient water line. This discovery of Professor Marsh is particularly
pleasing to us "Mormons," because he has so far scientifically demonstrated
the Book of Mormon to be true.
Here is the kingdom of God; do you want to enter into it, or not? do you
want the future blessings of this kingdom, or do you not? Have your choice;
but whomsoever you list to obey, his servants you will be whether it is
Jesus or the devil; please yourselves, have your choice. But all know we
can not serve two masters acceptably; if we love one, we shall hate the
other, and if we hold on to one, we shall despise the other. We must either
be for the kingdom of God, or not. But we shall organize this holy order
here before we leave. We give the invitation to all of you to come and get
organized. Let us be one; let us carry out the order that God has
established for the family of heaven. God bless you.
Journal of Discourses, Vol.12, Pg.96 - Pg.97, Brigham Young, June 30th,
1867:
I do not want men to come to me or my brethren for testimony as to the truth
of this work; but let them take the Scriptures of divine truth, and there
the path is pointed out to them as plainly as ever a guideboard indicated
the right path to the weary traveller. There they are directed to go, not
to Brothers Brigham, Heber, or Daniel, to any apostle or elder in Israel,
but to the Father in the name of Jesus, and ask for the information they
need. Can they who take this course in honesty and sincerity receive
information? Will the Lord turn away from the honest heart seeking for the
truth? No, He will not; He will prove to them, by the revelations of His
Spirit, the facts in the case. And when the mind is open to the revelations
of the Lord it comprehends them quicker and keener than anything that is
seen by the natural eye. It is not what we see with our eyes--they may be
deceived--but what is revealed by the Lord from Heaven is sure and
steadfast, and abides for ever. We do not want the people to rely on human
testimony, although that cannot be confuted and destroyed; still, there is a
more sure word of prophecy that all may gain if they will seek it earnestly
before the Lord. This is to my friends or my enemies who do not believe in
the Lord Jesus Christ and in the gospel which He has revealed in these days.
Now, mark my words, if you are honest to yourselves you will inquire as to
its truth. You are invited to inquire, and it is your duty to do so, of the
Father in the name of Jesus, if these things are so. "Well," say a great
many, "when Jesus was on the earth he wrought miracles." Very true, and
have we not done so? You read all the history of the world, laying aside
the Book of Mormon containing the history of the people who once inhabited
this continent, and you cannot produce anything that will compare with the
labors of this people in these mountains. Everything is thrown into the
shade when compared with it. Have we any witnesses with regard to the
healing of the sick by the power of God? Plenty of them. "O," say you, "we
do not know anything about that." We do not want you to know anything about
it until you learn for yourselves. Miracles, or these extraordinary
manifestations of the power of God, are not for the unbeliever; they are to
console the Saints, and to strengthen and confirm the faith of those who
love, fear, and serve God, and not for outsiders. When Jesus was spoken to
with regard to miracles, he said, "an evil and an adulterous generation
seeketh after a sign, and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign
of the Prophet Jonas," and this principle is as true with regard to
individuals as to generations.
16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.
17 And I will wait upon the LORD, that hideth his face from the house of
Jacob, and I will look for him.
18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me [are] for signs
and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount
Zion.
19 ¶ And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar
spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people
seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this
word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.
(Old Testament | Isaiah 8:16 - 20)
Journal of Discourses, Vol.12, Pg.97, Brigham Young, June 30th, 1867:
Here is the truth--God has spoken from the heavens, calling upon the
inhabitants of the earth to repent, and we call upon them to repent. Is
there anything immoral or in the least unchristianlike in this? Not in the
least. We also call upon all men to be baptized for the remission of their
sins. Is this a heresy, is it immoral or unchristianlike? No, everybody
will agree that it is not in the least. Then we say to all, if you have
been in the habit of lying, stealing, or committing any sin whatever, do it
no more, but live righteously and godly as long as you stay on the earth.
Who can complain of this.
16 ¶ Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted [him] in Massah.
(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 6:16)
5 ¶ In Gibeon the LORD appeared to Solomon in a dream by night: and God
said, Ask what I shall give thee.
6 And Solomon said, Thou hast shewed unto thy servant David my father great
mercy, according as he walked before thee in truth, and in righteousness,
and in uprightness of heart with thee; and thou hast kept for him this great
kindness, that thou hast given him a son to sit on his throne, as [it is]
this day.
7 And now, O LORD my God, thou hast made thy servant king instead of David
my father: and I [am but] a little child: I know not [how] to go out or come
in.
8 And thy servant [is] in the midst of thy people which thou hast chosen, a
great people, that cannot be numbered nor counted for multitude.
9 Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people,
that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy
so great a people?
10 And the speech pleased the Lord, that Solomon had asked this thing.
11 And God said unto him, Because thou hast asked this thing, and hast not
asked for thyself long life; neither hast asked riches for thyself, nor hast
asked the life of thine enemies; but hast asked for thyself understanding to
discern judgment;
12 Behold, I have done according to thy words: lo, I have given thee a wise
and an understanding heart; so that there was none like thee before thee,
neither after thee shall any arise like unto thee.
13 And I have also given thee that which thou hast not asked, both riches,
and honour: so that there shall not be any among the kings like unto thee
all thy days.
14 And if thou wilt walk in my ways, to keep my statutes and my
commandments, as thy father David did walk, then I will lengthen thy days.
(Old Testament | 1 Kings 3:5 - 14)
3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume [it]
upon your lusts.
4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the
world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world
is the enemy of God.
(New Testament | James 4:3 - 4)
35 Yea, I know that God will give liberally to him that asketh. Yea, my God
will give me, if I ask not amiss; therefore I will lift up my voice unto
thee; yea, I will cry unto thee, my God, the rock of my righteousness.
Behold, my voice shall forever ascend up unto thee, my rock and mine
everlasting God. Amen.
(Book of Mormon | 2 Nephi 4:35)
63 Draw near unto me and I will draw near unto you; seek me diligently and
ye shall find me; ask, and ye shall receive; knock, and it shall be opened
unto you.
64 Whatsoever ye ask the Father in my name it shall be given unto you, that
is expedient for you;
65 And if ye ask anything that is not expedient for you, it shall turn unto
your condemnation.
66 Behold, that which you hear is as the voice of one crying in the
wilderness?in the wilderness, because you cannot see him?my voice, because
my voice is Spirit; my Spirit is truth; truth abideth and hath no end; and
if it be in you it shall abound.
67 And if your eye be single to my glory, your whole bodies shall be filled
with light, and there shall be no darkness in you; and that body which is
filled with light comprehendeth all things.
68 Therefore, sanctify yourselves that your minds become single to God, and
the days will come that you shall see him; for he will unveil his face unto
you, and it shall be in his own time, and in his own way, and according to
his own will.
69 Remember the great and last promise which I have made unto you; cast away
your idle thoughts and your excess of laughter far from you.
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 88:63 - 69)
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