Re: 2nd law of thermodynamics in question

Paul <softwarelabus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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Paul <softwarelabus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
jimp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Paul <softwarelabus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
jimp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Paul <softwarelabus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

<snip piles of crap>

Foul mouthed personality.



Once again you post nothing more than rhetoric with claims lacking
detail. Asking one to detect the direction of energy of a stable
oscillating signal is asking to measure the direction of current. Such
a question is different than asking one to detect where the generator
is connected relative to the resistor, period. :-)

You do understand that current flow is an abstract mathematical concept
for modeling the real world, don't you?

In terms of just electrical engineering, yes, but not in reality.
Electrons have mass. Electron flow has momentum and inductance, which
is an indication which direction the electron (energy) is flowing.

Utter, babbling nonsense.

Electrons flow into the negative end of a resistor and out of the
positive end. By you logic, the energy disippated [dissipated] by a resistor would
be zero.

Sounds like you practice fuzzy logic. No, the resistor dissipates
energy.

No ***.

Tell you what. I don't care for your foul language-- you're not my cup
of tea. I'll give you a few more posts, so make it good. I have no time
or patience to teach you, especially when you have no honor to admit
error.

I had no idea a world class BS artist could be so sensitive.

Well, which end do you look at if the direction of current flow is what
determines the direction of the energy flow?

Vague question. Again, at any moment in time, in stabilized AC, energy
is flowing in the direction of current. When considering one full sine
wave cycle the net energy is flowing from the generator to the resistor
and then to the atmosphere in the form of heat.

Hardly vague.

At any instant in time, current flows in one end of a resistor and
out the other in an AC circuit.

You've said you can deduce where the energy goes by the direction of
the current flow.

Again, which end do you look at to find where the energy goes?


Electron mass has nothing to do with electrical energy.

The topic is "energy flow." Please focus your mind.

And energy in a circuit is the flow of charge.

It doesn't matter if the charge is electrons, protons, or gas ions.

It is charge pure and simple.

Sorry, not pure and simple as that. Read previous posts to discover
why.

All your previous posts are babbling nonsense.

Mass has nothing to do with the energy flow in a circuit, which is
*EXACTLY* what was being discussed.

Mass sure does. ... I'm quickly losing patience.

Utter nonsense.

You are not losing patience, you are backed into a corner.


How about a series circuit containing both electron flow and proton
flow?

It is still energy flow.

Well, you got one correct.

However you seem incapable of understanding that the electons and protons
would be going in different directions, yet the energy will only go in
one.

Focus your mind and state a detailed coherent question. If electrons
are flowing opposite direction as protons in AC current then the net
energy flow given one full cycle still flows from source to load, but
the at any given moment the energy flow depends how many electrons
compared to protons are moving and the net velocity difference between
electrons and protons.

Focus your own mind.

At any given moment in time, exactly the same number of electrons and
protons would be flowing.

You know nothing about electricity.

Oh no. That hurt, LOL.


And specifically for an AC circuit, you do understand that the current
flow is constantly reversing, don't you?

Yes.



You do understand that the direction of current flow, since it is a
mathematical abstract can be in any direction choosen [chosen] and has nothing
whatsoever to do with the direction of energy flow, don't you?

Again, in terms of just electrical engineering, yes, but not in
reality. Electrons have mass. Electron flow has momentum and
inductance, which is an indication which direction the electron
(energy) is flowing.

More babbling nonsense.

Electrons don't have inductance

LOL. No offense intended, but I don't have time to teach you
electronics 101. Furthermore, you really need to focus your mind. I
said, "Electron ***flow*** has momentum and inductance"

Electrons don't have inductance.

OK, I'll give you two more posts, as I don't have time due to your
exceptionally undeveloped mind, no offense intended. Please focus and
read. Again, I said, "Electron ***flow*** has momentum and inductance"
Key word, "flow." Can you conceive the difference between "an
electron" and "electron flow?"

Sure, can you conceive the difference between current, electron flow,
and proton flow?

Inductance is an effect caused by the path of current flow, which can
be any charged partical.

It's called "particle", not "partical," and you don't even know what
inductance is. Inductance is an effect caused by a ***CHANGE*** in
current.

Do you think I would waste my time spell checking in a reply to you?

If you don't think the path of current is relevant, how come a
conductor in a loop has more inductance than the same conductor
when it is straight?


... waste of my time.

I agree since you are pulling all this out of your ass.

Then according to you I sure have a big ass, LOL.

That goes without saying.

and electron mass has nothing to do with electrical energy.

Again, please focus your mind. We are talking about "energy flow."

I know what we are talking about, it is just you have no understanding
of the terms.

LOL, that's hilarious for one who does know how to spell particle and
incorrectly describes inductance. ... two more posts-- make them fine
and dandy, please. :-)


What is the mass of a hole in a semiconductor?

No mass.

So no energy?

A hole in a semiconductor still contains fields.

Arm waving nonsense. I see you don't know what a semiconductor hole
is either.

How come a current of X electrons and X protons is the same and the
energy is the same when the masses are greatly different?

In all seriousness you sound like a teenager? No offense, but this
conversation is a waste of my time. A dozen electrons flowing at the
same velocity as a dozen protons does not constitute the same energy.
Again you appear to practice the art of "close enough" physics?

Who said anything about velocity. You are pulling stuff out of your
ass again.

Focus your mind. You said, "How come a current of X electrons and X
protons ..." Current is a flow of charge.

Yep, so how come a current of X electrons and X protons is the same
and the energy is the same when the masses are greatly different if
the mass of the charge carrier enters into the energy?

The velocity of charge flow has nothing to do with the electrical
energy.

LOL, a "velocity of charge flow" This is too hilarious. ... Waste of
time. Are you sure it's not past your bedtime? ;-)

*YOU* are the one that first started talking about the velocity of
the charge carriers.

Has sense taken hold and you now realize that the velocity of the
charge carriers is irrelevant to the energy?

Sorry, I can't bear anymore. Spend a little more time on the next post
and cross your fingers.

You mean you are backed into a corner with you're babbling nonsense?

--
Jim Pennino

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