Re: 2nd law of thermodynamics in question

jimp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx truly believes:

* "Inductance is an effect caused by the path of current flow, which
can be any charged partical." Wrong! Inductance is an effect caused by
a ***CHANGE*** in current.
* Moving electrons and/or protons have no momentum.
* Mass has nothing to do with momentum.
* "velocity of charge flow"
* in a "partical." -- Incorrect spelling.




jimp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Paul <softwarelabus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
j...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Paul <softwarelabus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
jimp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Paul <softwarelabus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
jimp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Paul <softwarelabus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

<snip piles of crap>

Foul mouthed personality.



Once again you post nothing more than rhetoric with claims lacking
detail. Asking one to detect the direction of energy of a stable
oscillating signal is asking to measure the direction of current. Such
a question is different than asking one to detect where the generator
is connected relative to the resistor, period. :-)

You do understand that current flow is an abstract mathematical concept
for modeling the real world, don't you?

In terms of just electrical engineering, yes, but not in reality.
Electrons have mass. Electron flow has momentum and inductance, which
is an indication which direction the electron (energy) is flowing.

Utter, babbling nonsense.

Electrons flow into the negative end of a resistor and out of the
positive end. By you logic, the energy disippated [dissipated] by a resistor would
be zero.

Sounds like you practice fuzzy logic. No, the resistor dissipates
energy.

No ***.

Tell you what. I don't care for your foul language-- you're not my cup
of tea. I'll give you a few more posts, so make it good. I have no time
or patience to teach you, especially when you have no honor to admit
error.

I had no idea a world class BS artist could be so sensitive.

Sorry, I don't tolerate filth for very long. You seem so accustom to
such filth that you're used to it. I warned you, but you kept it up.




Well, which end do you look at if the direction of current flow is what
determines the direction of the energy flow?

Vague question. Again, at any moment in time, in stabilized AC, energy
is flowing in the direction of current. When considering one full sine
wave cycle the net energy is flowing from the generator to the resistor
and then to the atmosphere in the form of heat.

Hardly vague.

At any instant in time, current flows in one end of a resistor and
out the other in an AC circuit.

You've said you can deduce where the energy goes by the direction of
the current flow.

Again, which end do you look at to find where the energy goes?

When your mind awakens then you'll learn to ask a detailed question. I
posted your answer in my last post. I'll reword it just in case by some
infinitesimal chance it will help you. At any ***moment in time***
moving electrons have momentum. The energy is flowing in the direction
the electrons are moving. Furthermore, energy is flowing from the
generator to the resistor and then to the atmosphere in the form of
heat. What do you require, a picture?





Electron mass has nothing to do with electrical energy.

The topic is "energy flow." Please focus your mind.

And energy in a circuit is the flow of charge.

It doesn't matter if the charge is electrons, protons, or gas ions.

It is charge pure and simple.

Sorry, not pure and simple as that. Read previous posts to discover
why.

All your previous posts are babbling nonsense.

What a pity. Again, moving electrons have momentum. Such momentum
constitutes a flow of energy. Also, if the voltage and current are in
phase then energy is flowing from the source to load. You truly
believe that is nonsense, and therefore I cannot help you, which is why
you have just one post left to say whatever you so desire.




Mass has nothing to do with the energy flow in a circuit, which is
*EXACTLY* what was being discussed.

Mass sure does. ... I'm quickly losing patience.

Utter nonsense.

You are not losing patience, you are backed into a corner.

You have to be kidding me. Take a look at the top of this post. Tell
you what, pass your questions on to Richard and I'll be MORE than happy
to continue such ridiculous questions. I have been conversing with
Richard since day one.

I keep telling you electron flow has momentum. Again, it is called
momentum, and mass has a lot to do with momentum. So don't tell me I am
utter nonsense. Sorry, I do not practice your art of "close enough"
physics.






How about a series circuit containing both electron flow and proton
flow?

It is still energy flow.

Well, you got one correct.

However you seem incapable of understanding that the electons and protons
would be going in different directions, yet the energy will only go in
one.

Focus your mind and state a detailed coherent question. If electrons
are flowing opposite direction as protons in AC current then the net
energy flow given one full cycle still flows from source to load, but
the at any given moment the energy flow depends how many electrons
compared to protons are moving and the net velocity difference between
electrons and protons.

Focus your own mind.

At any given moment in time, exactly the same number of electrons and
protons would be flowing.

You really cannot figure that out? Protons have more mass than
electrons. ***At any given moment*** energy is flowing in the direction
of protons *and* energy is flowing in the direction of electrons, but
the protons have more momentum. Furthermore, energy is flowing from
source to load. I cannot help you if you cannot acknowledge momentum.
I do not follow your art of "close enough" physics.




You know nothing about electricity.

Oh no. That hurt, LOL.


And specifically for an AC circuit, you do understand that the current
flow is constantly reversing, don't you?

Yes.



You do understand that the direction of current flow, since it is a
mathematical abstract can be in any direction choosen [chosen] and has nothing
whatsoever to do with the direction of energy flow, don't you?

Again, in terms of just electrical engineering, yes, but not in
reality. Electrons have mass. Electron flow has momentum and
inductance, which is an indication which direction the electron
(energy) is flowing.

More babbling nonsense.

Electrons don't have inductance

LOL. No offense intended, but I don't have time to teach you
electronics 101. Furthermore, you really need to focus your mind. I
said, "Electron ***flow*** has momentum and inductance"

Electrons don't have inductance.

OK, I'll give you two more posts, as I don't have time due to your
exceptionally undeveloped mind, no offense intended. Please focus and
read. Again, I said, "Electron ***flow*** has momentum and inductance"
Key word, "flow." Can you conceive the difference between "an
electron" and "electron flow?"

Sure, can you conceive the difference between current, electron flow,
and proton flow?

Yes I can. Fact is, I clearly posted "Electron flow", and you missed
it. I then posted "Electron ***flow***" and you still came back with,
"Electrons don't have inductance." LOL




Inductance is an effect caused by the path of current flow, which can
be any charged partical.

It's called "particle", not "partical," and you don't even know what
inductance is. Inductance is an effect caused by a ***CHANGE*** in
current.

Do you think I would waste my time spell checking in a reply to you?

IMHO you have no honor. Admit your errors. Please, by all means,
continue with your childish excuses. You are only hurting yourself.
While you are at it, admit your error regarding your definition of
inductance.




If you don't think the path of current is relevant, how come a
conductor in a loop has more inductance than the same conductor
when it is straight?

I never said the path of current is irrelevant.

You said, "a conductor in a loop" Are you referring to one single
turn?




... waste of my time.

I agree since you are pulling all this out of your ass.

Then according to you I sure have a big ass, LOL.

That goes without saying.

and electron mass has nothing to do with electrical energy.

Again, please focus your mind. We are talking about "energy flow."

I know what we are talking about, it is just you have no understanding
of the terms.

LOL, that's hilarious for one who does know how to spell particle and
incorrectly describes inductance. ... two more posts-- make them fine
and dandy, please. :-)


What is the mass of a hole in a semiconductor?

No mass.

So no energy?

A hole in a semiconductor still contains fields.

Arm waving nonsense. I see you don't know what a semiconductor hole
is either.

What a pity. First, I said nothing about arm waving. Second, I could
care a less if a cartwheel accurately describes an effect. Whatever
works best.

jimp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx believes the mention of field constitutes arm
waving.




How come a current of X electrons and X protons is the same and the
energy is the same when the masses are greatly different?

In all seriousness you sound like a teenager? No offense, but this
conversation is a waste of my time. A dozen electrons flowing at the
same velocity as a dozen protons does not constitute the same energy.
Again you appear to practice the art of "close enough" physics?

Who said anything about velocity. You are pulling stuff out of your
ass again.

Focus your mind. You said, "How come a current of X electrons and X
protons ..." Current is a flow of charge.

Yep, so how come a current of X electrons and X protons is the same
and the energy is the same when the masses are greatly different if
the mass of the charge carrier enters into the energy?

The energy is not the same. Electrons and protons traveling in opposite
directions have energy. It is called momentum. You are wasting my
time. You have one more post.



The velocity of charge flow has nothing to do with the electrical
energy.

LOL, a "velocity of charge flow" This is too hilarious. ... Waste of
time. Are you sure it's not past your bedtime? ;-)

*YOU* are the one that first started talking about the velocity of
the charge carriers.

I said, "flowing at the same velocity" and you said, "velocity of
charge flow" ... LOL



Has sense taken hold and you now realize that the velocity of the
charge carriers is irrelevant to the energy?

jimp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx really believes moving electrons have no
momentum.



Sorry, I can't bear anymore. Spend a little more time on the next post
and cross your fingers.

You mean you are backed into a corner with you're babbling nonsense?

What a pity. Listen, I gave two posts to do as you wish. That was very
generous from my POV. Furthermore, I offered to carry on your
ridiculous questions over into my conversation with Richard. You would
probably be the last person on Earth I would intellectually be afraid
of.



Regards,
Paul

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