Re: Are Some Mormons Demons

"John P" <john.phile@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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In another discussion it was said that some mormons are demons and it
got me curious about what others thought about this subject. I don't
think any would say that all mormons are, but is it fair to say some
are, and if so when do they move from one category to this. And what
are they when not demonic--ignorant?


Journal of Discourses, Vol.9, Pg.290 - Pg.291, Brigham Young, April 27,
1862:

Brother George Sims' remarks created considerable empty levity. I like to
be pleased myself; I like to be filled with joy, but if I cannot be filled
with joy and gladness that is full of meat and marrow, or, in other words,
full of meaning and sense, I would rather retain my gravity.

There is but one step between life and death, between faithfulness and
apostasy, between the sublime and the ridiculous. We preach the Gospel and
gather the Saints, but are all Saints when they are gathered? No, we gather
the goats with the sheep. We gather people here, and then the most trifling
incidents that may occur in their lives, contrary to their wishes, will turn
them aside, and they will forsake their religion and their God. I am sorry
for this.

Never give way to vain laughter. I have seldom laughed aloud for twenty or
thirty years without regretting it, and I always blush for those who laugh
aloud without meaning.

I am often full of joy and gladness, and were I to give way to the
promptings of my nature at such times, it would lead to unreasonable levity
which would be a source of mortification and sorrow to me. I noticed that
the brethren gave way to that laugh which I choose not to hear. I hope they
will accept of this caution, and watch, govern, control and subdue their
passions. I am satisfied that those persons who stamp, clap hands, whistle,
and make other noisy and boisterous demonstrations in the theatres so
untimed and uncalled for, have but little sense, and know not the difference
between a happy smile of satisfaction to cheer the countenance of a friend,
or a contemptuous sneer that brings the curses of man upon man.

I am rejoiced, my brethren, when I hear the Elders of Israel speak as they
did this morning. I care little for a man's language, if his spirit proves
to me that he has the love of God within him. Brother Erastus Snow remarked
that the time would come when the law of God would be written on the hearts
of the people. A pharisee and a lawyer asked Jesus Christ a question,
tempting him, saying, "Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all they mind. This is the first and great
commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neigbour
as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
When we can keep these two commandments, do you not think that the law of
God will be written in our hearts? Yes, and it will never be erased. When
I have a manifestation, through the brethren that speak, that the love of
God is planted in their souls, that God rules and reigns in their
affections, I care not what language they make use of to express their
ideas, there is joy, peace, and solid satisfaction in listening to the words
of their mouths.

11 The house of the wicked shall be overthrown: but the tabernacle of the
upright shall flourish.

12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof
[are] the ways of death.

13 Even in laughter the heart is sorrowful; and the end of that mirth [is]
heaviness.

(Old Testament | Proverbs 14:11 - 13)

2 I said of laughter, [It is] mad: and of mirth, What doeth it?

(Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 2:2)

6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so [is] the laughter of
the fool: this also [is] vanity.

(Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 7:6)

66 Behold, that which you hear is as the voice of one crying in the
wilderness-in the wilderness, because you cannot see him-my voice, because
my voice is Spirit; my Spirit is truth; truth abideth and hath no end; and
if it be in you it shall abound.

67 And if your eye be single to my glory, your whole bodies shall be filled
with light, and there shall be no darkness in you; and that body which is
filled with light comprehendeth all things.

68 Therefore, sanctify yourselves that your minds become single to God, and
the days will come that you shall see him; for he will unveil his face unto
you, and it shall be in his own time, and in his own way, and according to
his own will.

69 Remember the great and last promise which I have made unto you; cast away
your idle thoughts and your excess of laughter far from you.

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 88:66 - 69)

121 Therefore, cease from all your light speeches, from all laughter, from
all your lustful desires, from all your pride and light-mindedness, and from
all your wicked doings.

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 88:121)

Journal of Discourses, Vol.3, Pg.327, Brigham Young, April 20, 1856:

I have spoken with much plainness concerning several traditions and
practices, in order that the Saints abroad may correctly understand that we
are not all, as yet, fully sanctified by the truth, and that both they and
the world may know that the Gospel net still gathereth fish of every kind,
that the flock has some goats intermingled with sheep of various grades, and
that the day of separation has not yet arrived.

Journal of Discourses, Vol.8, Pg.129, Brigham Young, July 22, 1860:

My brother Joseph, before "Mormonism" came to us, was a man of sad heart,
seeking to find in the Bible the principles of eternal life. He once said
to me, "Brother Brigham, there are no Bible Christians upon the face of the
earth, and I do not see any possible escape for the human family. According
to the writings of the Old and New Testaments, all must go to perdition." I
do not suppose that he had a smile on his countenance for years. I said to
him, "You and I believe in God and in the Bible. We suppose the Bible to be
true, or at least the most of it. I admit it to be true, and admit that
there is a God. We have always been taught so, and that we have a just God,
if we have any. I believe in a just, holy, equitable Being; and if the
Gospel is not on the earth, my feelings are to do about the best I can; and
when I am through, I shall be in the hands of the same God in whose hands I
have been all the time, and I will risk it. I did not produce myself--I did
not cause my existence. A being superior to me has done this; and if I do
as well as I know how, I will then risk all in his hands, and be perfectly
contented and satisfied. I shall go with a cheerful countenance, and shall
pass through the world as cheerfully as I can, making the best of it." But
there was more or less of a gloom over my feelings from the earliest days of
my childhood that I have in any recollection, until I heard the everlasting
Gospel declared by the servants of God--until I heard men testify, by the
power of the Holy Ghost, that the Book of Mormon is true, that Joseph Smith
is a true Prophet of the Lord, who had revealed the holy Priesthood from
heaven, had established his Church, was going to gather Israel, and was
coming to judgment. Under that preaching the gloom vanished, and has not
since troubled me for a moment.

PSALM 90

A Prayer of Moses the man of God.

1 LORD, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.

2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the
earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou [art] God.

3 Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.

(Old Testament | Psalms 90:1 - 3)

1 Thus saith the Lord, Yea, there is that second death which pertaineth unto
the destruction of the spirit of man in that hell spoken of, for it is that
spirit shall return unto the native element from which it was formed or
begotten by me in that day, saith the Lord God.

2 And it is that this death cometh upon all those who deny me in this day,
saith the Lord God.

3 And it is that this death cometh upon all those who deny me and persist
therein and who will not repent, neither can they, saith the Lord God of
Israel who it is that doth speak unto thee, O man, whom I the Lord God have
created in mine own image, even the image of mine Only Begotten Son have I
created thee.

4 For it is that these are they who have denied the Holy Ghost and for whom
there is no salvation.

5 And the resurrection shall come upon all but these who are sons of
perdition (a), and the end thereof no man knoweth save he or she shall be
made a partaker thereof, and the height or the depth or the misery thereof
no man knoweth, nevertheless I the Lord God show it by vision unto many and
shut it up straightway again.

6 And all who deny these things, saith the Lord, shall partake of that
second death and they shall not escape my wrath which shall be poured out
upon them that they be utterly anhialated back to the native element from
which they are formed.

7 For all, saith the Lord, who deny these Revelations which I the Lord God
have caused to be put into the world as a witness of me shall deny the
Spirit and shall not be redeemed in the resurrection but shall go away into
that lake of fire with the devil and his angels and there their torment is
as a flame.

8 For mine anger, saith the Lord shall even be spent upon them, in my
terrible fury and might which cannot be stopped by man in the flesh, and
their worm dieth not, and the flame thereof ascendeth up forever and is not
quenched until they die, saith the Lord, even the Second Death, according to
that torment of which hath been written.

9 For I the Lord thy God shall not be mocked by them who are under my feet
in that day that the earth shall be redeemed, even from the fall thereof.

10 Even so, beware how thou holdest the oracles of God! For it must be unto
this generation, saith the Lord on the one hand, even as it is one the
other, even Eternal Life, and the fruits thereof, or Death and its portion
on the other, and ye of this generation are free before me, saith the Lord,
to choose, either life in my presence, or the second death in the presence
of him whom ye served delisciously, even that devil spoken of.

11 And if it is that ye hearken, saith the Lord, and are obedient unto my
servant in these things which he shall command thee in my name, saith the
Lord, by the Authority Of The Holy Priesthood Which Is After The Order Of
Melchizedec, then it is that the second death shall have no power over thee.

12 And it is that if ye are obedient, saith the Lord, in all things, then it
is that ye shall be redeemed also from the fall and dwell with me and my
angels in regions of bliss and light forever and ever.

(a) D&C 76:37-39.

Revelations of Jesus Christ 43:1-12

25 And this we saw also, and bear record, that an angel of God who was in
authority in the presence of God, who rebelled against the Only Begotten Son
whom the Father loved and who was in the bosom of the Father, was thrust
down from the presence of God and the Son,

26 And was called Perdition, for the heavens wept over him-he was Lucifer, a
son of the morning.

27 And we beheld, and lo, he is fallen! is fallen, even a son of the
morning!

28 And while we were yet in the Spirit, the Lord commanded us that we should
write the vision; for we beheld Satan, that old serpent, even the devil, who
rebelled against God, and sought to take the kingdom of our God and his
Christ-

29 Wherefore, he maketh war with the saints of God, and encompasseth them
round about.

30 And we saw a vision of the sufferings of those with whom he made war and
overcame, for thus came the voice of the Lord unto us:

31 Thus saith the Lord concerning all those who know my power, and have been
made partakers thereof, and suffered themselves through the power of the
devil to be overcome, and to deny the truth and defy my power-

32 They are they who are the sons of perdition, of whom I say that it had
been better for them never to have been born;

33 For they are vessels of wrath, doomed to suffer the wrath of God, with
the devil and his angels in eternity;

34 Concerning whom I have said there is no forgiveness in this world nor in
the world to come-

35 Having denied the Holy Spirit after having received it, and having denied
the Only Begotten Son of the Father, having crucified him unto themselves
and put him to an open shame.

36 These are they who shall go away into the lake of fire and brimstone,
with the devil and his angels-

37 And the only ones on whom the second death shall have any power;

38 Yea, verily, the only ones who shall not be redeemed in the due time of
the Lord, after the sufferings of his wrath.

39 For all the rest shall be brought forth by the resurrection of the dead,
through the triumph and the glory of the Lamb, who was slain, who was in the
bosom of the Father before the worlds were made.

40 And this is the gospel, the glad tidings, which the voice out of the
heavens bore record unto us-

41 That he came into the world, even Jesus, to be crucified for the world,
and to bear the sins of the world, and to sanctify the world, and to cleanse
it from all unrighteousness;

42 That through him all might be saved whom the Father had put into his
power and made by him;

43 Who glorifies the Father, and saves all the works of his hands, except
those sons of perdition who deny the Son after the Father has revealed him.

44 Wherefore, he saves all except them-they shall go away into everlasting
punishment, which is endless punishment, which is eternal punishment, to
reign with the devil and his angels in eternity, where their worm dieth not,
and the fire is not quenched, which is their torment-

45 And the end thereof, neither the place thereof, nor their torment, no man
knows;

46 Neither was it revealed, neither is, neither will be revealed unto man,
except to them who are made partakers thereof;

47 Nevertheless, I, the Lord, show it by vision unto many, but straightway
shut it up again;

48 Wherefore, the end, the width, the height, the depth, and the misery
thereof, they understand not, neither any man except those who are ordained
unto this condemnation.

49 And we heard the voice, saying: Write the vision, for lo, this is the end
of the vision of the sufferings of the ungodly.

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 76:25 - 49)

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when
there is no law.

(New Testament | Romans 5:13)

29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour
grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.

30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the
sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.

(Old Testament | Jeremiah 31:29 - 30)

THE REVELATIONS OF JESUS CHRIST

SECTION 9.

REVELATION ON FATE OF HEATHEN NATIONS

(Received by Art Bulla, Apostle of Jesus Christ, for a man, Walter.)

Revelation on fate of so-called heathen nations and the reasons why such
great distress among these nations. Reward of these nations greater in
resurrection for suffering. Apostasy of fathers thereof from Shem who is
Melchizedec and Noah, Shem?s father. Revelation given to comfort one who had
personally observed starving in India. Judgment according to opportunity for
acquiring truth. Received October, 1981.

10 And it is from the Holy Order and the ordinances thereof that the nations
of the earth have departed in their generations and have apostacized from
that truth which was taught unto them in simplicity and plainness in the
which they could not err.

11 And thus it is that I will visit the sins of the children upon the heads
of the fathers, for unto them is the greater condemnation for they, even
they did sin against the greater light, and did turn aside from that which
was right before me and depart unto that which has been their hurt.

12 For ye, my son, have seen of their affliction and have been moved with
compassion upon them and would that it could be removed.

13 But all things will I the Lord make up unto them who suffer in the flesh,
for it shall be tolerable unto these nations in their resurrection from the
dead, which resurrection shall come unto all men through the atonement which
I did make yea, even for all men, for greater love hath no man than this,
that a man should lay his life down for his friends.

14 But it was that in that pre-existent state, in the which they were
spirits, even before the world was, it was made known unto them that which
they would suffer in the flesh that thereby they might obtain so great a
rest, yea, even worlds without end will I the Lord God feed them.

15 And these who were spirits had their agency in that day and they did vote
and agree that these things should be.

16 And that they might have obtained the greater light did I the Lord God
send mine Apostles unto them that they too might have been recovered.

17 For their fathers in their wickedness departed from them of Old who were
also appointed unto this power:

18 Even from their father Noah as well as Shem who was Melchizedec, and Eber
who were ordained in the manner spoken of by the hands of the fathers unto
mine Holy Order which is without beginning of days nor end of years and is
the means by which the power of Godliness is manifest unto men in the flesh
and without which no man can see the face of God the Father and live;

19 And also Adam, who is without beginning or end, for there are many, who
is the father of the spirits of men and also the body of the Only Begotten
after his translation after the first council at Adam-Ondai-Ahman, saith the
Lord God, and Eloheim, or the Ancients who are Gods and the Grand Council
thereof.

20 For Adam, which meaneth Man in the Hebrew tongue, was he not a
resurrected man from another world and a part of the Council, that He should
also become the Father of the Only Begotten in the flesh, saith the Lord?

21 And unto those who partake of mine ordinances through the medium of mine
anointed, which calling and ordination my servant doth hold for time and all
eternity, for he shall sit down even at my right hand, and verily thus saith
the Lord, shall be with me in my glory, and unto those who call themselves
after my name having received of these things, will I the Lord God give all
things that where I am they may be also, that we may be one even as I and
the Father are one.

22 For the things of heaven shall descend and the things of earth shall
receive them, even that of the City of Enoch which were taught the
ordinances and laws of heaven according to the power which is encompassed
within mine Order, which is after the Order of Melchizedec, which holdeth
the keys of all things and is the medium through which that which is to be
received is dispensed unto the children of men.

23 And there is no other name given whereby the sons of men may be saved
from that which is to come, yea even such destruction as has not been known
among the children of men before nor will be known since.

24 For I the Lord thy God am also Priest after the Order of Melchizedec.

25 And no man taketh this honor unto himself, except he is called and
ordained as was Aaron, the great High Priest, from whom the children of
Israel received their dispensation.

26 Even so, come unto me and learn of my ways, and I will give unto you,
even as many as shall come, that peace which surpasseth understanding, and
if ye shall inquire of me concerning these things, will I the Lord manifest
by the influence and power of the Holy Ghost that these things are verily
true and are of me, saith the Lord.

27 I am Jesus Christ who wast slain from before the foundation of the world
and have drunk out of that bitter cup which the Father did give unto me, and
have done the will of him from the beginning.

Revelations of Jesus Christ 9:10-27

16 ¶ And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the
nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to
worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, [that] whoso will not come up of [all] the families of
the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon
them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that [have] no
[rain]; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen
that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations
that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

(Old Testament | Zechariah 14:16 - 19)

23 And thus is my will which is done in heaven, even at this present time
under my direction, saith the Lord, the Only Begotten of the Father, even
Jesus Christ, and thus shall it also be done upon the earth, and my kingdom
come on earth, even as it is now in heaven, even as I prayed unto my Father
while in the flesh among the Jews, even that it should come.

24 For it is the will of the Father that the order which doth exist in
heaven, that it should also be upon the earth, that the devil and his angels
may be rebuked and his power over the earth be broken, and that the earthly
Priesthood should conform in its pattern unto the heavenly, that the will of
the Father should be done on earth even as it is in heaven, and thus them
that are in heaven shall descend and take up their abode upon the earth and
the earth shall be redeemed from the fall, and shall become a paradise, yea,
as the Garden of Eden shall it become, saith the Lord, for I the Lord cursed
it that it should bear thorns and thistles, and thus will I the Lord remove
the curse therefrom and the lamb shall lie down with the lion and Satan
shall be bound for a thousand years.

25 For at my power all things move and have their beings, saith the Lord God
of Israel, even Jesus Christ, and I shall reign with the Saints of the Most
High, and eat and drink with them and laugh and make merry, and we shall
rule the nations with a rod, for at my word all things shall be done, for
the elements are controlled and handled upon principles which are spiritual,
which is according to the Oath and Covenant of the Melchizedec Priesthood.

26 Even so, it is enough for now.

Revelations of Jesus Christ 4:23-26

--
Jong Kim


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