Re: Ben Newsam Electrolies the water

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On Feb 9, 11:25 am, Ben Newsam <ben.new...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 8 Feb 2007 19:47:29 -0800, "gdewi...@xxxxxxxxx"

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On Feb 5, 3:57 am, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" <d...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear RichD:

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Electrolysis = electricity
Electricity =/= free
The amount of hydrogen liberated during electrolysis represents
less energy that it took to make it.

This is only true for normal electrolysis. There are other ways that
are far more efficient as 100%.

Wow, you really don't believe in the laws of thermodynamics, do you?
Tell you what... as before, build a working model before trying to
persuade anyone else.

Here are the working moddels.

know Stanley Meyer? no?????

Stanley Meyer, inventor of the water (NOT H2, but H2O)
engine, allegedly mysteriously murdered. A dune buggy is
available, running on locally-electrolyzed water,
100 miles per gallon, efficiencies at or over 120%.

(Pardon my skepticism.)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhu4ZH4Kvzg&eurl=

Sodium sulphate in water, being electrolyzed (by an
external battery), starts off this video. A "fuel cell
water capacitor" submerged in water and generating gas
is shown. A and B indicate electrical current feeding
this cell. No mention of inefficiencies, though it
does mention gas expansion. The voiceover suggests
the inventor was poisoned. 5:15.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhSP8b1OBAg

"Project Energy". Focuses initially on alternative
energy, mentions a water-powered car, and the
evils of using oil. 6:00.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et004X1ir3k

Starts with a claim that hydrogen is a far more powerful
fuel than oil. (It is, if one uses weight. However, it
must be created, not merely extracted.) 3:59. The device
claims 1/2 A current consumption, and the generation of
3x the energy actually input through the electrodes.
This is admittedly possible (dissociation energy is
slightly greater than the Gibbs free energy -- and that's
about all I know about this subject :-) ) but unlikely
to garner 120% efficiencies. The device shown appears to
have fairly massive electrodes, which could be absorbing
much of the heat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kcq6_RTqc4

Action News [6] report. 1:44.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRxsPxePjsY

Water Fuel Cell demonstration. 3:39. Poor quality.

[rest snipped]

Interesting. Not sure it proves much.

In other words, you cant disprove any of it.


Correct. I cannot. I am not a physicist. The best I can do
is quote others:

[1] You can't win.
[2] You can't break even.
[3] You can't quit.

Now, the general problem with the ICE is its woeful efficiency
at low RPM, plus the fact that it must run at low RPM
during idle, as opposed to simply stopping and restarting
like an electric motor. Many improvements are possible
-- the water engine is one. Others include continuously
variable transmissions (which aren't quite online yet) and
the current hybrid system, which basically cuts in the ICE
at high RPM -- where it's more efficient.

So form a car company already and start selling. Once people catch onto
the fact that your engine is highly efficient, they'll start buying.

In bulk.

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