Re: mass of the photon

On Feb 11, 11:42 am, "tony fleming" <tflemi...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Feb 10, 6:31 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:





On Feb 10, 6:45 am, "tony fleming" <tflemi...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Feb 9, 8:05 am, "PD" <TheDraperFam...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Feb 6, 5:35 pm, "tony fleming" <tflemi...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Feb 7, 1:18 am, "PD" <TheDraperFam...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

QED, which is the most precisely tested theory of any kind ever,
accounts for pair-production in a much simpler way than the break-up
into composites that you propose. If you want to understand how QED
does this, both qualitatively and in full quantitative detail, then I
suggest you dive into two books to start:
QED: The Strange Theory of Light and Matter, by Richard Feynman
Introduction to High Energy Physics, by Donald Perkins, especially
chapters 1, 2, and 5.

PD

Many thanks, I only have a basic working knowledge of QED including
Feynman's work (via his famous 3 physics books and some other
writings); maybe I understand the maths more than the applications.

Sorry, Tony, I've got some bad news. The 3 famous physics books that
Feynman wrote are for *freshman* class in physics. In between those
books and a "basic working knowledge" of QED, you will need additional
materials:
- two courses in classical mechanics, including Lagrangian and
Hamiltonian formulations
- at least one intermediate course in electrodynamics, including the
covariant form of Maxwell's equations
- at least one intermediate course in quantum mechanics, including
detailed work with solutions of the Dirac equation and pertubative
methods
- an advanced course in quantum field theory, including 2nd
quantization and renormalization.

PD an inch doesn't mean a mile, one has to crawl before one walks!!
I'm aware of Feynman, believe me. I'm across many many areas of QM,
QED and QCD especially the mathematics. I was taught QM as an
undergraduate in the '60s and 70's. Obviously I'm only one little
human bean, so a working, PROFESSIONAL knowledge excapes me in many
areas such as particle physics. But I am a very experienced
professional mathematician and engineer with a background in numerical
modelling, antennas, radiation protection, bioeffects of EMR, and
medical applications of bioelectromagnetics. I'm not shy to admit my
lack of knowledge as I come across something new.

The new mathematics of SFT allows me another fresh view to many
physics vistas as I come across them. You can read the paper on the
hydrogen atom athttp://www.unifiedphysics.com/latest_news.htm. Read
this to understand how self-field theory and quantum mechanics tie in
together. You'll also see how SFT leads to a set of equations INSIDE
THE NUCLEUS!! a set of modifed maxwellian equations that give an
eigenvalue solution for the proton that can sit inside a composite
model of the hydrogen atom. This is revolutionary and will form a new
approach to nuclear physics as we progress.

The latest, and most interesting line of research, thanks to your
question about pair-production and anihhilation, appears to be the
link between the energetic photon and its sub-photonic field, the
electron and the positron. What I've found is exciting in that
there's a link between the ionizing potential of the hydrogen atom and
the energy required for pair production of teh positron and electron.

m_electron * velocity_electron^2 = 13.6 eV (1)

m_electron *velocity_photont^2 = 0.511 MeV (2)

It seems to me that m_photon*velocity_photon^2 + 1/2 photonic binding
energy for (2) = 0.511 MeV

I can't find any corresponding quantum theory apart from some very
hand-wavy stuff concerning Hawking's cosmological quantum graivity.
I'm not saying there ain't some good theopry somewhere I've not found
any of it that's all. You suggested recently to me that such a
theoretical approach is available. I'd be very grateful if you could
give me a link to such a theoretical discussion.

Im interesting in how quarks and gluons may ALSO be involved in such
productions.

I do have perkins btw, a very good book.

What i;m thinking with the pair-production via SFT is similar to the
early work on the ionization of hydrogen as an infinite series
solution to the Balmer series solution. We do suspect that there is a
'Balmer-like' analytic solution to the spectroscopy of the photon

What spectroscopy of the photon? Do you know if data that I'm not
aware of?

Take a look at the pdf at

www.cymatherapy.com/pdfs/A%20Predicted%20Photon%20Chemistry.pdf

This names a few including the ionospheric layers, snowflakes, teh
structure of DNA, etc.

which will give us a series of frequencies that hopefully will tie in
with the acoustic work we are doing. That is why we needed the
analytic expression for the photon's mass, 'cos this leads (almost)
directly on to the photon spectroscopy. So I've worked out the
photon's 'Balmer series' assuming the mass of the photon.

What it seems to me is if I'm understanding the internal dynamics of
the photon correctly is that the binding energy inside the photon
STAYS with the photon's sub-particles (I call these the ephectron and
the phroton) AFTER the pair-production, so that the

ephectron + half the binding energy ---> electron (+momentum)
phroton + half the binding energy ---> phroton (-momentum)

Actually we see a similar in SFT thing INSIDE the nucleus where it
appears the neutrino + electron can decay transforming a neutron into
a proton. So it appears that the neutrino WAS a binding field that
turns into a particle (in this case the neutrino WAS the binding
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Mr fleming
if you deal with physical entities that
move maturally in closed circles
**and not in straight lines**
(as i saw in your pdf
you are on the right way

b
your hellix description of yourse of the photon
movement
fits exactly my concepts of the basic aprticle
that i called The Circlon'
and we are not alone with that hellix movement
i saw it from many peole

c
dont expect anything from the parroting
parts here
they are not born for pioneering science
just address the open minds ones here!!!

ATB
Y.Porat
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G'day mon bon ami Monsieur Porat. Comment allez vous? Tres bien
J'espere. Je regret mon pauvre Francais , ansi Je parlerais en
Anglaise, bien?

Yes the circular rotations are a way to solve the Maxwell_lorentz
differential equations. In SFT I use the complex form of exponential
as in the usual general solution to partial differential eqns. We use
the divergence eqns to give us the analytic form for the fields. Then
substitute these forms into the curl equations to give a system of
equations which are readily solved.

What I have found in the study of the mass of the photon is that these
analytic solutions are an approximation to the actual solution which
is based on collisions, many collisions to and fro between the photon-
electron and photon-proton. These collisions can be either attrctive
or repulsive depending on the spins involved. They are 'coherent' in
the sense that they are very alike to each other. It appears the
whole system of forces and collisions is stable including these
collisions.

What we end up with is a geometry that looks a bit like pythagarus's
inscribed circles that he use to determine an approximation for the
irrational number Pi. In the case of the atom, the number of
collsions MUST BE AN INTEGER so taht teh system is periodic. THis
gives us a system of inscribed triangles that must end up giving us an
area less than the equivalent analytic circle.

THinking of the Bohr magneton, this gives us a simple method of
determining the g-lande factor for the electron.

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Monsieur Porat, comment allez vous aujourdui?

In terms of non-linear motions, the actual motions must include
parabolas etc, as the photon approaches (collides with) the electron
and /or the proton. The triangles are just approximations to the
motions, but it is clear they form a good approximation to the g-lande
factor. In other words, the Bohr theory motion represented by the
Bohr magneton is NOT circular. Hence we can use the 'finite element'
approximation that Pythagorus used to estimate Pi. WHen we do this for
the simple theory using two simple point-models for teh electron and
the proton we do get a reasonably accurate answer.

As we all know when we use QED we get a very accurate answer that is
supported by measurement. This was mentioned by PD. We get this
accuracy becuase we are trying to get an AREA (O(radius^2)) not a
LENGTH (O(radius^1)), and hence the truncation errors are reduced by
at least one order of radial distance. Hence the increase in accuracy.

We can do the same by using a model for the proton constisting of
THREE quarks, and we will find an increased accuracy above the simple
single-point SFT theory.

ATB Tony

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