Re: permanent magnet motor

In sci.physics, gdewilde@xxxxxxxxx
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on 17 Feb 2007 22:17:37 -0800
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On Feb 18, 6:57 am, The Ghost In The Machine
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In sci.physics, Sam Wormley
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on Sun, 18 Feb 2007 05:04:27 GMT
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Sam Wormley wrote:
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
In sci.physics, Sam Wormley
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on Sun, 18 Feb 2007 03:28:35 GMT
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gdewi...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

If you think it can[']t work, then you are kindly requested to explain
why.

There is a reason perpetual motion machines can't work. Learn
thermodynamics...

Pedant Point:

Erm...no. That's not the reason PPMs don't work.
Thermo is a model of the Universe.

It's a darned *good* model, to be sure...but it doesn't
explain why PPMs can't work. As phrased, he asked why
we think it can't work; thermodynamics is in that case a
perfectly good answer. But one could also say "we think
satellites can't work because the Earth is flat".

Fortunately, we know the Earth is an oblate spheroid
(and satellites have helped determine its oblateness).
We also have quite a bit of evidence that the theory of
thermodynamics works.

But it doesn't really explain why.

"Perpetual motion machines violate one or both of the following two
laws of physics: the first law of thermodynamics and the second law
of thermodynamics. The first law of thermodynamics is essentially a
statement of conservation of energy".

"The second law has several statements, the most intuitive of which
is that heat flows spontaneously from hotter to colder places; the
most well known is that entropy tends to increase, or at the least
stays the same; another statement is that no heat engine (an engine
which produces work while moving heat between two places) can be more
efficient than a Carnot heat engine. As a special case of this, any
machine operating in a closed cycle cannot only transform thermal
energy to work in a region of constant temperature".

Gaby's PPM involves accelerated magnetic fields generating EM
radiation loss and suffers from internal friction due to changing
stressed in the substrates holding the magnets, resulting in thermal
radiation losses. Even if there were frictionless bearings, either
loss brings the device to a halt, let along produce and free work!

That's assuming it even *starts*. Stevin's Principle
makes short work of that. :-)

But again, "laws" here aren't what make the Universe work;
it's what we observe of the Universe's workings. That was
my point, and a nitpick it was, at that.

Yes, so I request your observation of this phenomenon. Not
unreasonable I would think?

http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/magnetmotor-theory

Insufficient information. However, either way, your theory's stuck in
neutral.

If the two disks are geared the unit falls under Stevin's Principle,
which basically means it won't do diddlysquat. If they are not geared
the green disk will simply rotate sufficiently so that the red pole is
facing the black pole of the blue disk, and then wiggle a bit to
dissipate energy.


At best, the patent describes a novel sort of motor

There is no "the patent", there are hundreds.

I have made this page so that you can reproduce the effect I'm talking
about in less then 5 minutes.

http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/magnetmotor-it-cant-be

Don't you agree that if the pendulum doesn't swing this machine does
make free energy?

You are imparting energy by moving the other magnet.
Doesn't work! In any event it would appear that the
hanging magnet will both swing and rotate, in a
rather complex motion.


if you claim there is friction, what does it attach itself to?


What does what attach itself to? Any working motor has friction.

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