Re: Please help me with the verification of this law

On May 10, 1:49 pm, Mitchell Jones <mjo...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article <1178792153.001855.204...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,

rAgAv <ragav.pa...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Law--"Every physical, observable effect has a physical, observable
cause preceding it and the cause and effect are related by the laws of
interaction of physics"

is this law correct? Is there any proof? Has this law been published?
Can somebody disprove this?

Regards
--
rAgAv

***{The nature of a thing lies in the sum and arrangement of its parts.
Every thing that exists and every phenomenon that occurs has a
recipe--an exclusive list of things which, if assembled in a particular
way by nature or by man, will produce that thing or phenomenon. The
thing or phenomenon is the effect, and the act of assembly (bringing
together in the required way those specific components and no others) is
the cause. Hence we can say that everything that happens has its cause.
Observers are irrelevant,

Wrong. In fact, it is MEANINGLESS to talk about even the existence of
particles when they are not observed.

except in cases where they are elements of the
effect or the cause.

Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle says otherwise. Heisenberg 1, MJ 0.


The proof of the law of causality, that everything which happens has its
cause, lies in the principle of continuity, that no thing may come into
existence out of nothing or vanish into nothing.

But this is patently false. Photons come into existence, and vanish
into nothing all the time. Particle / anti-particle pairs come into
existence out of a "vacuum". YOu are about 80 years behind the curve.

For if that is true,

and it isn't.

then the nature of the effect is entirely determined by the carrying out
of its recipe--i.e., by the bringing together in the required way of the
required components and no others.

As PD has pointed out, this conjecture of yours is not borne out by
experiment.


If, for example, I bring together the components of an automobile, and
nothing else, and assemble them in the specific way required by the
recipe for an automobile, then when I am done I should have an
automobile.

All of which is fine and dandy for a car, but not for an atom.

If I do not, it can only be because one or more of the
required components that I brought together vanished into nothing, or
because one or more new components that were not required came into
existence out of nothing. If nothing got there except the stuff I
brought in, and nothing left except the stuff I took out, and if the
only forces of assembly were exerted by me, then the only possible
result will be an automobile.

But we can have a particle in a superposition state. Take a free
particle with wavefunction Psi = [1/sqrt(2)][ exp(2ix) + exp(-2ix)}
What is its momementum? Half the time we'll measure 2 h bar, and half
the time we'll measure -2 h bar. The average over time is 0, but NO
SINGLE measurement will EVER measure a momentum of 0 (for this
particle).


If, in short, the principle of continuity is true,

but it's not.

then the law of
causality is true.

And that's all there is to that story.

"And that's the name of that tune..."


--Mitchell Jones}***

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