Re: SPACETIME AND CONSCIOUSNESS

On Jun 11, 9:17 am, Kowstue <kows...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Edgar,

Finally read your entire paper. Quite interesting
and I have some comments (positive and negative).
First enlarge the fond size a bit because it is so
tiring to the eyes to read something so small.
Second. You are trying to give a physical
correlate of the 4 dimensional spacetime. it is a
good attempt but why do you have to equate it with
consciousness. By doing this, you will repel many
scientists and technical people. It depends on
your audience though. If your audience are New
Agers (esp. the gullible ones who will eat
anything given to them). You could talk about
consciousness and emphasize on it. But if you are
serious. Your stuff is directly connected to
physics. Since consciousness and physics are world
apart, then you may repel the very people you may
seek, the physicists. Anyway. You are free of
course to choose your style but I'm just saying
you can just repel the very folks you intend to
get in touch with. It is easy to add the concept
of consciousness later after you have made the
point with your spacetime physical correlate.

Now I'll comment particular sections about your
paper which is not clear but I won't talk about
consciousness because your paper is related to SR
and GR and let's settle it with those only for
now.

First a 2 paragraph summary of your primary ideas
which hopefully those relativistic folks can
comment:

"It seems possible to construct a consistent
cosmological geometry in which the universe is a
four dimensional hypersphere whose radial
dimension is the continually extending p-time
dimension, and whose three dimensional surface is
the three dimensions of space in the present
moment. In this cosmology, the radial p-time
dimension continually extends outward via the
creation of new moments of p-time. This outward
radial extension results in the Hubble expansion
of the 3 space surface.

All four spacetime dimensions are directly visible
to us through the identical mechanism of the
transmission of light. The past direction of the
time dimension is directly visible as spatial
distance in all directions from every present
point. We do directly visually confirm that the
time dimension is a radial dimension. This view of
his world is called an observer's light cone."

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Now my comments of a more skeptical nature (i'll
share the positive ones next time).

First. You wrote:

"It is important that proper time seems to
continually pass at the same rate for every
observer no matter what his state of motion or
what gravitational potential he may experience.
His clock rate may be slowed relative to that of
empty space but he never notices any difference in
his own frame of reference because all measuring
devices including his own perception always slow
at the same rate as his clock."

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My comments:

If our perception slows down and the brain process
slows down and everything. This means the atom is
slowing down. Quantum mechanics doesn't support or
agree to this. Loop quantum gravity may deal with
Planck space and Planck time when they try to
search for Quantum Gravity but they don't break it
up to such high resolution unless you can explain
how the planck time is added in the macroscopic
reality to become quantized.

Second, about the "The Twin Paradox" Pardox

You wrote:

"The key to resolving this problem comes from a
deeper understanding of the `twin paradox'. Simply
stated, the twin paradox tells us that according
to relativity, if one twin travels on a journey
through space and then returns to meet up with his
stay at home twin, the clock of the traveling twin
will have recorded the passage of less time than
the clock of the stay at home twin. This is due to
the general relativistic effects of the
accelerations involved in the trip which slow his
clock. Thus the traveling twin will have aged less
than his stay at home twin. This effect is well
confirmed by experiment and observation and
normally the discussion ends here.

There is however a much deeper insight to be
discovered in the twin paradox, something so
obvious as to have remained invisible. This key
insight is that even though the twins' clocks read
different times when they meet up again, they
always meet up again in the same shared present!
Since the two clocks read different times, but the
twins meet in the same present, the only possible
conclusion is that there must be two different
kinds of time! Though seemingly almost too obvious
to mention, this is an extremely important insight
which has far reaching implications.

Consider this. When the twins meet up again and
shake hands, that constitutes a single spacetime
event, therefore it must occupy a single unique
spacetime location, with unique coordinates along
both the time and space axes. Therefore, since the
two clock times are different, it is impossible
that clock times in general are always accurately
aligned with the actual axis of the time dimension
which demands a single point of time for the
handshake, a time we call the present. Therefore
it follows that what we call present time defines
the actual time dimension, rather than clock times
which can vary from observer to observer based on
their acceleration histories! If clock time was
the actual dimension of time, then rather than
being a single linear axis, the time axis itself
would have to continually split, differentially
stretch, and then rejoin resulting in a vast
non-linear tangle all across the universe! This
obviously cannot be the case, therefore it is the
time that we experience as the continuous flow of
the present, rather than the time our clock reads,
that defines the axis of the actual cosmological
time dimension. "

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Comment:

Consider this. A planet sends a twin away in a
moonsize ship travelling at relativistic speed,
then the moonsize ship1 sends another ship (call
it ship2) at relativistic speed, then ship2 sends
another ship (ship3) at relativistic speed and so
on. Now what happens when the clones of ship3 met
up with ship2 and the ship2 met up with ship1. So
how can it explains your "Therefore it follows
that what we call present time defines the actual
time dimension, rather than clock times which can
vary from observer to observer based on their
acceleration histories!". There are many two
"presents" (ship1-ship2 and ship2-ship3 encounters).
So which one is the present time that defines the
so called "actual time dimension"?

Also note that the reason they met up together is
because the twin slows down and stop so no more
time dilation.

There are many other questions. I'll attend to it
next time as your small font literally made my
eyes so tired. But they are great and creative.

Ey, tell you what. Try to write a thread that
directly tell the stuff in words and not referring
people to the site and read the whole paper
because everyday we have something like 15
references and people don't have time with it.
Also by equating it with consciousness, you are
just repelling the last few of them away. So write
your concept directly so people can comment
specifically on them. Goodluck.

Kows

Hi Kows,

Thanks for all your detailed comments. Much appreciated!

First the font size. You should be able to change that in your browser
or pdf reader. I think that's the problem.

Yes, I agree that many strict scientists will be repelled by the
connection to consciousness and I will lose some readers that way.
Second I agree with your comment about guillible 'new agers'. There
are indeed many who will believe in all sorts of unsubstantiated
nonsense. They are certainly not my audience. I do however strongly
believe that both science and consciousness are in fact explainable
aspects of a single universe, and that both can be treated in a common
scientific framework. I completely realize that most people are too
insular in their thinking to even begin to entertain this idea. I hope
you will keep an open mind.

Re your comment on atoms slowing down not allowed by QM etc. Time
dilation is of course accepted relativistic theory. I'm not suggesting
an exception to it. You seem to be challenging that time dilation even
occurs, rather than commenting on my theory specifically. It is
certainly true that there is no accepted union of QM and GR. My paper
does not really address that issue.

As for your multiple time travelers example, the issue is exactly the
same. They will all have clocks that record different clock times when
they all meet up again, yet to meet up they must all arrive at exactly
the same ST location, namely the present moment. In other words they
all meet back at the same REAL time, even though their clock times
were different to get there. Therefore it is the common present
moment, which defines what I refer to as p-time, that is common to
all, and is a more basic 'kind' of time than clocktime.

Again thanks for the questions and comments, and keep them coming.

Best,
Edgar




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