Re: Richard Feynman

"charles" <charlesbrough1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Jun 28, 7:24 am, "Jong Kim" <r...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
June 27, 2007

Professor John Wheeler,

I emailed you last year several times, from September to November,
concerning correct physics and the existence of God or the Supreme
Creator, and now I'd like to discuss your celebrated student, Richard
Feynman.

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Jong, It is a relief to switch from all the vicious ranting in the
other posts to your kind and pleasant effort,

I'm not kind and pleasant to anti-Christs like Francis Crick.
(Last year the Spirit of God confirmed to me that Crick went to hell.)

With Richard Feynman, I'm naturally inclined to be respectful, but the Lord
having revealed me that he also was an anti-Christ (the actual wording was
"son of perdition"), I can no longer sustain Feynman in any way, though I
suppose I will still quote him on things like least action. That shows
you, for one thing, that I too am liable to think subjectively as a frail
human
being like anyone else, since logically speaking, Feynman was as arrogant as
Crick, but the way he presented his arrogance was charismatic, at least to
me.

but I am totally
perplexed why you have posted such an endless piece! I actually did
read a lot of it, but I doubt that anyone else has. If no one reads
it because it is so big, it seems to me pointless to make such large
posts.

I guess the problem is that in our modern society, we are all
bombarded all the time every day with masses of words that are
exhortations, platitudes, promotions and other waste of time. We take
a look at the size of your post and right away make a judgmenet. Is
it worth reading?

8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who
will go for us? Then said I, Here [am] I; send me.

9 ¶ And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand
not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut
their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and
understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

11 Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted
without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly
desolate,

12 And the LORD have removed men far away, and [there be] a great forsaking
in the midst of the land.

(Old Testament | Isaiah 6:8 - 12)

For clarity, "send me" above is in reference to the Prophet Isaiah while
caught up to the third heaven, but the point is that all the Lord's servants
effect the same result, of weeding out the wicked.

Also, you seem obsessed with Fenniman. Did you know him?

No, but I once attended a talk given by Freeman Dyson, who I've recently
learned was the one that showed the equivalence of the Tomonaga, Schwinger,
Feynman approaches to what they call quantum electrodynamics.

I mention Feynman because there are laymen that know something about him
through his non-technical books, like Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman? and
What Do You Care What Other People Think? Besides that, he was very
influential in his field, actually one of the great ones. I read more about
Julian Schwinger and tend to think now that they were equals. Schwinger
sounds like he was much more mathematically rigorous (albeit more esoteric).
Feynman was also a great salesman for physics in many ways, though he did
not entirely work out of Maxwell electrodynamics, but I still would like to
think that was more for the sake of survival and popularity than for the
sake of atheism. In any case, to my regret, Feynman was also a salesman for
the devil with his atheistic bent, and strictly speaking he did not espouse
truly correct physics but a very brilliant work of approximation to make up
for the inadequacy of quantum theory, in which aether is not explicitly
accounted for but only by the concept of 'vacuum' zero point energy. (If he
were an atheist with little or no knowledge, Feynman may have an excuse, but
he understood the principle of least action as well as anyone, for one
thing.)

He is, after all, one of, what, a hundred Nobel prize winners. The
number could be in the thousands. I find that what physicists say on
subjects other than their own is often not of much value. I was
acquainted with Linus Pauling, a chemistry Nobel Prize winner (he
edited my book). He was, of all things, a socialist.

But from the beginning, the Watson and Crick story had traces of hubris. As
told in Watson's classic memoir, "The Double Helix," it was a tale of
boundless ambition, impatience with authority and disdain, if not contempt,
for received opinion. ("A goodly number of scientists," Watson explained,
"are not only narrow-minded and dull but also just stupid.") Yet the Watson
and Crick story is also one of sublime harmony, an example, as a colleague
put it, of "that marvelous resonance between two minds - that high state in
which 1 plus 1 does not equal 2 but more like 10."..........This theme of
Watson's book - the hot pursuit of glory, the race against the chemist Linus
Pauling for the Nobel Prize that DNA would surely bring--got bad reviews
from the (relatively) genteel Crick. He didn't recall anyone mentioning a
Nobel Prize. "My impression was that we were just, you know, mad keen to
solve the problem," he later said. But whatever their aims, Watson and Crick
shared an attraction to DNA, and when they wound up in the same University
of Cambridge laboratory, they bonded.
http://www.packer34.freeserve.co.uk/rememberingfranciscrickacelebration.htm

Personally, I would like to hear your own arguments in your own words
as to why you believe in your version of Christianity?

The reason I know the Mormonism of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Art Bulla to
be the same Gospel of Jesus Christ taught by Moses and the ancient Apostles
of Christ is because only Joseph, Brigham and Art teach that 2+2=4. Others
teach that 2+2=5 or 10 or 3 or 4.0000001 or 3.999999, etc. That is why the
Holy Ghost has borne record to me many times of these great Prophets'
teachings. There have been prophet-like characters, such as Clerk Maxwell
and Dostoevsky, but they did not have the whole truth, nor did they feign
it. I suppose people like Socrates and Confucius are in the same class of
honorable men.

Journal of Discourses, Vol.4, Pg.203, Brigham Young, February 1, 1857:

You never heard me preach a doctrine but what has a natural system
to it, and, when understood, is as easy to comprehend as that
two and two equal four. All the revelations of the Lord Almighty to
the children of men, and all revealed doctrines of salvation are
upon natural principles, upon natural philosophy.

I read your
quote from Mormanism, but I suspect perhaps you are a Catholic
Marianist. You have a good command of English so perhaps you were
born here. Does it seem strange to you that I see science being
successful because it figures the universe responds to natural cause
and effect?

*Natural* cause and effect? For one thing, how did your computer come into
existence?

Joseph Smith, Jun., Messages of the First Presidency, Vol.1, Pg.228-229:

If Abraham reasoned thus -- If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John
discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose
that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? And
where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree
or anything spring into existence without a progenitor? And everything comes
in this way. Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of' that
which is heavenly, Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He
had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a
doctrine, for the Bible is full of it.

14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this
people, [even] a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise
[men] shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent [men] shall be
hid.

15 Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and
their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?

16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the
potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not?
or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no
understanding?

(Old Testament | Isaiah 29:14 - 16)

And that, when you postulate a "god" that will interdrut
that and operate it in response to prayer, you are proposing an
ideology that is against science and an obstacle to it?

Why do I provide so many quotes? For one thing, in order to show that my
personal experiences of receiving the power of Holy Ghost were real, not
imaginary. Deny not the Holy Ghost, so be careful what you think and say. If
you can't help but think it, at least don't utter your blasphemous thoughts,
and you'll be under less condemnation. For, saith the Lord, denial of the
Holy Ghost is unpardonable. (5:57 am)

51 And it is in this manner that Satan with his mists of darkness and his
retarding of the human mind, and lies hath deceived you, O man, as
anciently, by the traditions of your fathers which apostatized from mine
ordinances and broke my new and everlasting covenant which I the Father
did make with them.

Revelations of Jesus Christ 24:51 (given through Art Bulla)

False Gospels, such as Catholicism, are obstacles to science, but not true
Mormonism, which encompasses all of what you call science, which is
empirical in nature, not speculative.

26 Now, as I said concerning faith-that it was not a perfect knowledge-even
so it is with my words. Ye cannot know of their surety at first, unto
perfection, any more than faith is a perfect knowledge.

27 But behold, if ye will awake and arouse your faculties, even to an
experiment upon my words, and exercise a particle of faith, yea, even if ye
can no more than desire to believe, let this desire work in you, even until
ye believe in a manner that ye can give place for a portion of my words.

28 Now, we will compare the word unto a seed. Now, if ye give place, that a
seed may be planted in your heart, behold, if it be a true seed, or a good
seed, if ye do not cast it out by your unbelief, that ye will resist the
Spirit of the Lord, behold, it will begin to swell within your breasts; and
when you feel these swelling motions, ye will begin to say within
yourselves-It must needs be that this is a good seed, or that the word is
good, for it beginneth to enlarge my soul; yea, it beginneth to enlighten my
understanding, yea, it beginneth to be delicious to me.

29 Now behold, would not this increase your faith? I say unto you, Yea;
nevertheless it hath not grown up to a perfect knowledge.

30 But behold, as the seed swelleth, and sprouteth, and beginneth to grow,
then you must needs say that the seed is good; for behold it swelleth, and
sprouteth, and beginneth to grow. And now, behold, will not this strengthen
your faith? Yea, it will strengthen your faith: for ye will say I know that
this is a good seed; for behold it sprouteth and beginneth to grow.

31 And now, behold, are ye sure that this is a good seed? I say unto you,
Yea; for every seed bringeth forth unto its own likeness.

32 Therefore, if a seed groweth it is good, but if it groweth not, behold it
is not good, therefore it is cast away.

33 And now, behold, because ye have tried the experiment, and planted the
seed, and it swelleth and sprouteth, and beginneth to grow, ye must needs
know that the seed is good.

34 And now, behold, is your knowledge perfect? Yea, your knowledge is
perfect in that thing, and your faith is dormant; and this because you know,
for ye know that the word hath swelled your souls, and ye also know that it
hath sprouted up, that your understanding doth begin to be enlightened, and
your mind doth begin to expand.

35 O then, is not this real? I say unto you, Yea, because it is light; and
whatsoever is light, is good, because it is discernible, therefore ye must
know that it is good; and now behold, after ye have tasted this light is
your knowledge perfect?

36 Behold I say unto you, Nay; neither must ye lay aside your faith, for ye
have only exercised your faith to plant the seed that ye might try the
experiment to know if the seed was good.

(Book of Mormon | Alma 32:26 - 36)

charles,


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