Re: Kinetic Space Theory Proposes Space Moves


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: On Aug 21, 5:42 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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: > : On Aug 21, 1:23 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
: > : > "qbit" <q...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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: > : > : "Androcles" <Engin...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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: > : >
: > : > : >
: > : > : > : c is a function of the permittivity and permeability of space.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > That's aether all right, and it doesn't work.
: > : > :
: > : > : You are wrong, Androcles.
: > : >
: > : > No I'm not, you are.
: > : >
: > : > : Just apply some logic:
: > : >
: > : > I'm very good at that.
: > : >
: > : > : if one, or both, of permittivity and
: > : > : permeability of space were differrent then obviously also
: > : > : c would have a differrent value. Don't you agree?
: > : >
: > : > No. Planets would interact with the medium, slow and fall into the
Sun.
: > : > Just apply some logic. Space is nothing and has no properties.
: > : > Bullets fly through it unimpeded and so does light.
: > : >
: > : > : Therefore
: > : >
: > : > I don't agree so there is no "therefore".
: > : > Just apply some logic.
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > : Planets do not interact with the permittivity and permeability of free
: > : space for the same reason that waving an electromagnet in the air
: > : fails to cause electricity to flow in the electromagnet's circuit.
: >
: > Light does not interact with space for the same reason that waving
: > a magnet in nothing causes a voltage to appear.
: > E = -dB/dt (Faraday)
: > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/m.gif
: >
: > : The relationship between the magnet and the windings that surround it
: > : does not change when you wave both in the air.
: >
: > All motion is relative. Space is nothing so nothing can be relative to
it.
: >
: > : The key to creating
: > : electromagnetic changes is to create a change in the relationship
: > : between a magnetic field and an electric field (according to Faraday's
: > : Law).
: >
: > And nothing whatever to do with the empty space.
: >
: > : This happens in an electromagnet when you move the magnet in
: > : space with respect to the loose electrons (the electric fields) in
: > : adjacent windings or you change the field intensity of the magnetic
: > : field in the magnet (which is what happens in transformers).
: >
: > And nothing whatever to do with the empty space.
: >
: > :
: > : The definition of permittivity is the measure of the ability of an
: > : entity to develop an electric field.
: >
: > And nothing whatever to do with the empty space.
: >
: > : The definition of permeability
: > : is the measure of the ability of an entity to develop an electric
: > : field.
: >
: > And nothing whatever to do with the empty space.
: >
: > : Since empty space contains non-zero permittivity and permeability
: > : values,
: >
: > I do not accept that. Prove it.
:
: ???
:
: I don't know


Of course you don't. You believe without proof, I do not.


: what to say to the question of space not containing non-
: zero permittivity and permeability values. So says the NIST and every
: other scientific body. Why do you think that is not so?


I asked for proof, not the opinion of NIST or anyone else.
Provide proof and I'll answer your question.


: The trouble with forums like this is you never know if somebody just
: doesn't know science or they have some alternate interesting theory.

You believe without proof, I do not. Are you somebody who just
doesn't know science ?

: Do you have some reason for disputing why empty space possesses
: permittivity and permeability?

Yes.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Algol/Algol.htm


:
:
: The deal is that if empty space does have the ability to develop
: electric and magnetic fields

It doesn't. I asked for proof, not handwaving.


which is what permittivity and
: permeability are all about, then what does that mean?

It means you have not provided the proof I requested.

:
: Doesn't that gives us a very strong clue as to what electricity and
: magnetism really are.

No, it's guessing, and the aether was tossed out with the Michelson
and Morley experiment. Some people forgot to toss out its properties
as well.



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