Re: Ghost Hunting & Physics

On Sep 29, 4:08 am, Benj <bjac...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Kowstue wrote:

Well, most people claiming to be scientists generally take the view
that life is mechanical, higher dimensions do not exist, and that when
the brain dies all consciousness also dies. The problem is that there
is data all over the place indicating that such is in no way true.
Consistency in near-death experiences, ghosts, seances, channelings
and all the rest surely indicate that SOMETHING is going on. It's all
way too consistent to be so easily dismissed with a wave of the hand
as "imaginary" or non-existent. Yet, most of science does this. You
know damn well that this very conversation we have to have here on the
crank-filled internet would NEVER be allowed to take place in any
respectable scientific forum!

Well. Let me first answer this last paragraph of yours.
Our conversation is lot saner than say the physicists
Many worlds interpretation or wheeler advanced-retarded
waves that travel back and forth in time or superstrings
almost infinite vacuum landscape. So in a way, they are
the real crackpots.. lol...

Anyway. We must really understand the physics of
ghosts, spirits and ESP. It has to do with the marriage
of quantum mechanics and general relativity (quantum
gravity or quantum spacetime). Objects (quantum)
interact with spacetime (GR) that's why quantum
gravity in involved. So long as we can't figure out
quantum gravity, we won't know the physics of ghosts
or ESP. Don't agree?


Our brain is enough to cause consciousness. Cats have consciousness.
Humans also. But from cognitive & PET functional neuroscience,
the brain is a calculating supercomputer and you learn language
and math by pure neurons and biochemistry. Put lesions or remove
the part and you lose the ability. Even memory is
caused by neurons. In other words, the brain appears to
be sufficient for the lower mind enough to function in this world.
Now there appears to be another mind (a higher mind) that
locks into the brain. In other words, co-evolution. This appears
to be the case based on experience. Those with very developed
higher mind can remember past lives, etc. and I met a number
of them. But without the higher mind, the brain itself appears
to be sufficient to function and think. Refute this!

Why should I refute it? I pretty much agree with it. The only question
here is the fine point of exactly HOW MUCH the brain alone can
function and think. My view is that it would be at the severely
retarded level or basic animal actions level.

This is what I've been trying to figure out lately. I've been
researching deeply into neuroscience as it can offer us
a clue. Hence quantum gravity and neuroscience is the
basic we must explore if we want to understand anything
about ghosts or ESP and related stuff.



You know what. Years ago. I loved to use the term etheric body.
But this term was a medieval one pre-relativity. So we need to
make it compatibile with SR and need to use another term such
as spacetime conscious sub-manifold, etc.

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet!

When a person dies, the lower mind dies. Being dead is like being
stuck in a dream that you can't wake up. This is the impression I got
from corresponding with those who deal with the dead.

Um yes, but it depends strongly upon the emotional attachment to 3-D
earth reality. If there is strong attachment basically you remain in
the same place you were only somehow you can interact with things and
people don't see "you" and can't hear what "you" say. It's very
frustrating and confusing to "them".

I think it's like this. When you are sleep. Your frontal cortex is
suspended and the emotional and other modules in your brain
can't integrate everything. They are fragmented. This is why
dreams don't have sequence and sometimes don't have logic.
Now in death. What happens is that the emotional part has
independent action so that it can be in the place it is attached
to without any thinking component present! Get this? Let's
focus on this part before going to deeper waters. Let's master
the basic first. Our limbic system is connected to a morphogenetic
field in the body which is the physical correlate of the brain
emotional part which survives after dead. What do you think?

Will discuss the rest after we agree on some basic.

kows



4. Dead people are not suddenly smarter or more knowledgeable than
they were when they were alive.
Of course. Unless if they are saints or very spiritual developed
people. These are the only people who can still think after dead.

Simply not true. A CAT or DOG can "think" after it is dead. Go think
again about your "higher mind" statements above.

5. Dead people are no more trustworthy either (your dead grandfather
speaking at the seance may not actually be him.
It's like this. Just like in the physical world which evolve insects,
rats, and other creatures. Pure quantum creatures or insects
can also exist in the pure hilbert space, so most of the
shells (spacetime sub-manifold) left by dead people is taken over
by this quantum insects and this can use the memory of the
manifold to speak at seance.

Um, yes. This can and does happen. However, it's not "quantum
creatures" taking over "shells" but low humans or "demons". Those
speaking at a seance are FAR from trustworthy as being who they say
they are EVEN if they are dead humans.

6. Generally when people die they gravitate to places in higher
dimensions that most match their thoughts unless special circumstances
interfere.
When a person dies, only the higher abstract side of him survive.
This
is the reason why the more spiritually developed a person is, the more
side of him survives. If there is sufficient of it and it reaches a
threshold,
then the person is literally still alive after dead because through
the higher abstract nature, a second brain can be produced by
the higher dimensions or spacetime.

Yes, only the "threshold" known as the "level of permanence" is far
lower than you suppose. Generally organisms like carrots or bees
return to the "sea of spirit" when killed. But almost all mammals are
beyond the level of permanence and have an integrated abstract side
that survives more or less representative of the form held when in the
body.

7. If a person dies so suddenly that they don't know they are dead
they may hang around where they died because they can't figure out how
to get out of there. That is a Ghost.

No. Most of the time, these ghosts are just shells composing of
memory. There is no will in them. These shells are composed of
bohmian wave functions or other standing waves that survies
after dead.

I won't argue and can't speak to "most of the time". yes shells do
exist and can survive, but generally in a true "haunting" the entity
doing the haunting has FAR more energy and is not simply a memory
shell. It is the higher abstract portion which is energizing old
patterns because of some emotional attachment or drive. That is what
attaches the entity to the given location which creates the so-called
"haunting". LOTS of people have investigated these events.

8. If a person is killed under extremely emotional circumstances or
where they have a very strong WILL to fight against death, again the
strong emotion binds them to the place of the violence and they become
"ghosts" that "haunt" it.

Again, the ghosts created this way do it automatically. Ghosts
normally
don't have will. Unless they are possessed by quantum animals or
unless the ghosts is spiritually advanced. In which case, it can
survive after dead.

I don't agree. You are placing the "level of permanence" MUCH too
high!

There is much more but that is enough for now. There is much work
already done in this area. See the great books by Hans Holzer.
My knowledge of the above came from experience and corresponding
with those who deals with them directly including
direct pupils of the immortals who live after dead.

EVERYBODY beyond the "level of permanence" lives after "death"! But
you already know this kind of information can't be trusted without
experimental and other confirmation! I don't care what "immortal" the
source claims to be. As I said there has been a LOT of investigation
into this sort of thing for many years. Quite a bit has been
observed.

Of course I'd be happy to be proven wrong in what I'm saying. I'm
only interested in the truth, wherever it will take me. Likewise,
if mind is pure brain and there is nothing else, it's fine (but this
is the not the case after decades of experience and study).


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