Re: our science replaced by their journalism

On Feb 1, 12:20 pm, "gdewi...@xxxxxxxxx" <gdewi...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
hello,

I have figured out a number of awkward magnetic effects. I don't want
to bother anyone with the details. I was just curious why people
refuse to even look at perpetual motion. Sure you can claim nothing of
the kind exists. Scientifically you have not begun to look in favor of
this journalism. You have nothing to back up this claim as non of you
have ever bothered to look into the topic in favor there of.

You guys are that what we call scientists. I am not, but I am the one
looking into the science while you are all ignoring it? Every last one
of you. There are practically no exceptions.

My question is not that of "perpetual motion real or nut?"

I would like to know at what stage of the analysis the actual data is
allowed into this system. Then if you go as far as to disallow the
actual data to be reviewed, how can you still continue to pretend it
is science?

Ok. Here's your problem. You haven't got down the essence of
"perpetual motion" and "science". What exactly does "perpetual
motion" mean? I'll tell you what it means. It means a source of
energy that is limitless and goes on for all time. Without that,
there is no "perpetual motion".

Science has widely accepted the idea of "conservation of Energy". This
means that energy isn't created or destroyed, but rather is simply
transformed from one type to another. There is no real reason why
energy might NOT be created by some process but nobody has found that
process yet! Therefore, science takes the attitude: "Show Me!".

How about "magic"? Does it exist? Hey people make things "disappear"
all the time. It's a great show. But we all know it's an illusion.
The things only appear to "disappear". They don't really disappear.
Same with "perpetual motion". The whole solar system appears to be a
"perpetual motion" machine, but is it? Or is it simply a coasting low
friction device? I could build a "perpetual motion" machine that runs
off of nearby radio stations. It would seem like a Perpetual Motion
device, but in truth it's just taking one form of energy (radio waves)
and transforming that energy into another (mechanical). What if I
discover some "unknown" source of energy? What if I could tap "dark
energy" to make a wheel turn? Would that be "perpetual motion"? Well,
we don't know because we don't know where that sea of energy comes
from and it's so huge that we can't tell if we take some out if it
stays the same or not. So one can argue even in THAT mystic case,
it's likely that energy is still just being transformed rather than
"made".

Thus the bottom line HAS to be if you want to show that true
"perpetual motion" exists you first have to find a way to show that
energy is actually being created out of nothing. Showing that you
discovered a hidden source of energy that can be transformed to do
useful work may be very interesting, and extremely important to "save"
civilization from another dark age as the oil runs out, but it's NOT
"perpetual motion"! So if you have an argument with the dogma of
science, understand that the dogma you are arguing with is the
creation of energy from nothing. And until you can convincingly
demonstrate that effect, everyone is going to put you down.

Note however that in the past, it was argued as dogma that mass could
not be destroyed and elephants could not therefore "disappear"! But
science only guesses about things. And then one day a block of uranium
DID disappear and left nothing but energy which says that it actually
COULD be possible for an elephant to really "disappear". The only
question then is how to do it?

This is why for perpetual motion, saying that it is "impossible" is as
you note a great stupidity. Nobody can prove that! What one has to say
is that nobody has ever shown the creation of energy from nothing.
Show that and you've proved "perpetual motion" without even showing
how to do it! Even not showing that but successfully tapping a vast
sea of hidden energy and drawing it into useful devices is a HUGE
advance. Even though it isn't "perpetual motion" the size of the
reservoir makes it appear as such and the utility of that cannot be
denied!

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