Re: Imaginary Space
- From: "Timothy Golden BandTechnology.com" <tttpppggg@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:51:31 -0800 (PST)
On Feb 10, 6:39 am, "Thomas Heger" <hba...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Timothy Golden BandTechnology.com" <tttppp...@xxxxxxxxx> schrieb im
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On Feb 1, 5:06 am, "Thomas Heger" <hba...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Timothy Golden BandTechnology.com" <tttppp...@xxxxxxxxx> schrieb im
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This is a VERY interesting question. I have absolutly no idea, but since
heat transfer is depending on material properties it should be more
electric
than mechanic.
Maybe so, and yet if we were to enter the electromagnetic realm which
seems to go along with electricity then we have only raised the
discrepancy higher since the speed of light through a material will
exceed the speed of sound. It is comforting to go back down to mass in
motion since it is slower but it is still not slow enough. But we can
try some of that rotational energy. If thermo was rotating mass then
we would be dealing with a type that can remain local. This then puts
atoms spinning with a moment of inertia which would be related to
thermal mass and some form of torque interaction which should be
pretty weak.
Particles should be time stable entities. But what, if they are not? I think
about particles as stable in reference to an observer. They are 'patterns'
pacing along the time axis together with an observer. But they don't need to
be stable as contiuus entities. Imagin a flock of electrons at one time and
some time later the same number of electrons almost at the same location.
Its a comoving pattern. But its not true, that all the electrons are separat
entities. Its more an electron spreads out in random walks as all others do.
The sum of those influences result in a flock of electrons allmost as the
original one, but not at the same points in space. Each is a little bit
wiggling. Why? Those entities are somehow waves, that do not fit exactly
together. The more energy you put into this process, the higher the
amplitudes of those wiggles. Since it is the same process as em-force is
propagated, the particles emit radiation when heated up.
I didn't really address this part in my post above. I'm trying to go
where you are. If redundancies exist then you may be getting into
something interesting. When you say 'comoving' it seems like you are
left declaring how the particles get any freedom. I think it is true
that the spacetime correspondence is only in terms of stability.
Heat transfer is different. It requires an exchange of momentum from one
atom to the other. In gas this requires physical contact. The propability is
higher if density is higher. In a material with no free eletrons this needs
to let one atom in a lattice transfer excitation to the neighboring by
sharing energy with the other. Without a supply of energy this would fall of
drastic, since an atom in a lattice has a lot of neighbours. Sound is
faster, cause there is no need to share the energy. An atom 'kicks' the
other, but may stay in rest afterwords.
This atom that stays at rest after kicking as a sound model has
ignored the lattice that the atom is in I think. When I think of this
sound/thermo conflict I often picture a point sound source; say for
instance an ideal needle vibrating at 1kHz against a metal rod.
Mathematically we then see the forcing function local to a point (an
atom) of the material conducting the sound. Such sounds may be
miniscule, but they will conduct through the entire material won't
they? Anyhow the heat model doesn't seem to be any different in that
this same atom would have a hot needle applied to it, the mathematical
model being that of vibrating the atom. The same old propagation
discrepancy results abeit at low energies. Sound does share the energy
through the whole lattice such that the motions are coherent within
elastic limits. If anything it is heat which does not take this
coherency and we would like to have atoms jiggling about within the
lattice without transfer yet this mechanically is a misinterpretation,
or at least that is what I am claiming. One way out is to enter a
higher dimensional system. Another is to consider rotational freedoms
which would then alleviate the translational mechanism which sound
coherently occupies. I suppose reinterpreting sound could be the way
to go, but mechanics is right nearby.
-Tim
This would upset an awful lot of physics including the
standard atomic model (which should have an extremely small moment of
inertia). Atomic bonding and phases of matter would have to be
resolved but possibly could be resolved better. Lots of data in these
regions is empirical, not theoretical. It's a bit too large of a
topic.
- Tim
Thomas Heger
Your possible usage of complex time is an instance of structured
spacetime and to what degree that denies isotropic spacetime deserves
consideration.
-Tim
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