Re: Atoms





Does your model predict the two different types of diatomic hydrogen
molecules that differ by the relative spin of their nuclei?
I usually do not quote myself, but I'm too lazy to write that down again. And yes, I think you would get different spectra for different spin.

Its only geometry, so it would be possible to calculate all those relations, but I'm not that far and I'm still looking for a kind of tool to visualize that and do some math. I started do something with mathlab, but I'm not good enough now.

The idea is quite weird so be warned:



"Hi Ng
I had this strange idea, that I want to tell you about:
imagine a quaternion spinning. How would that evolve?
It is four-dimensional and an imaginary complex number. Unlike our real world
it has the feature of being scewsymmetric. That means, it could rotate in a
strange way. Imagine this to have close neighbours. They could rotate in the
same direction, but they don't block each other like gears in a gearbox would
do. The circles around a hyperballs are hypermeridians and look more like
the number eight. The axis of spin shall be called timelike. A kind of
'fluid' could rotate around that axis but you couldn't see. Its like the
rotation on the other side of the time axis is going backwards. It is not
totally symmetric, but some tiny net effect is caused. (Those wiggles I call
fluctuations.)
The quaternion has three other axis, they are symmetric and called
spacelike.
Because spacelike rotation is symmetric, the neighbours disturb the
rotation. They are like gears in a gearbox, hence are twisted. The
disturbance I call for some reason a kick. The rotating quaternion is called
an object. This is because the object is assumed to last in time.
It carries some energy in the form of this invisible rotation. It kicks the
outside, but the outside don't want to have that, because it cannot keep it.
So the outside kicks back. This goes in and out and in and out.
Under some circumstances the kicks find something else to kick and kick
that. In that case the energy can build a path through this kind of space
and the spacelike sum over all those kicks that second and object twist it
in a new way.
Say it would rotate in the same direction, it will be pushed away. If it
rotates in opposite direction it will get a negative push or will be
attracted. (This effect is like charge.)
Sometimes the neighbours get bored and create an object themselves and kick
that away. The object is falling apart. (This is like radioactivity)
Now imagine an object having no neighbours. It will simply create them by
falling apart and kicking the pieces away. But then it has and they shuffle
back the rotation like unwanted gifts. It can only evolve in one direction;
it's the timelike axis. There it can create neighbours as a clone of itself.
It does, but than its gone and only the clone exist. This effect I call for
some reason the flow of time.
Those objects could now build a kind of lattice. In this case the rotation
does not need to be returned all the time. The kicks find a way of diagonal
neighbouring objects that are able to take their influences. Those lattices
are stable too.
If we apply some chaos to this picture it will look like disturbance of this
kind of lattices. The knots are wiggling along their timepath. (This effect
I call heat.)
Along the timepath the rotation looks like a screw. It has kind of ripples.
The disturbance of the neighbours is assumed to be done by those ripples,
what makes the influences a bit discontinuous. The part of energy sent away I
call radiation. It is spinning around the spacelike axis. This is some
unwanted feature to those quaternions, since they have to twist their
neighbours. So this radiation paces away from its origin.
It is done all in the same manner. Its not actually speed, since now I have
no notation of time. Its only even in a more abstract sense. To have time I
need an observer. That observer counts the ripples on some screws and gives a
certain number the name 'one second'.
Now we look at some lumps of those lattices. The path through those lattices
is a tiny bit longer since the objects are rotating. That makes the
influence having a longer path within the lattice than outside. In total its
is slowed down by some amount proportional to the intensity of the rotations
on the way. That disturbs the even evolution on the timepath a bit. It
drags the overall symmetry a bit to the side. This effect is called
curvature. Those lumps are called matter. (Together this is like gravity.)"

From 'quaternionic kicks'


For some reason, I started to think, that does look like an atom. I even think about cristalls, were you could think about those ''kicks' rush in a kind of diagonal way, creating nodes as specific spots in a lattice. Those would wiggle because of heat. Its interesting that this is not the heat of the object but of spacetime.


Thomas Heger



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Relevant Pages

  • Re: Atoms
    ... Imagine this to have close neighbours. ... Because spacelike rotation is symmetric, ... So the outside kicks back. ... kind of lattices. ...
    (sci.physics)
  • quaternionic kicks
    ... The quaternion has three other axis, they are symmetric and called spacelike. ... Because spacelike rotation is symmetric, the neighbours disturb the rotation. ... It kicks the outside, but the outside dont want to have that, because it cannot keep it. ...
    (sci.physics)
  • Re: a programm
    ... backwards and forewards rotation and pace off in space. ... some energy is 'contained' by something evel. ... sorrounding gets kicks, that it wants to get rid of. ... say that velocity addition is a form of subjective measurement. ...
    (sci.physics.relativity)
  • Re: a programm
    ... The main difficulty about my idea is, that you cannot imagin a rotation in a continuum. ... It has the disturbing feature of rotations to rotate backwards on the 'other side' of the time axis. ... In the projection into our space of observations that kind of rotation would look like tiny wiggles without a reason. ... It kicks in outwards direction if possible, but that is only the case if there is something with timelike symmetry. ...
    (sci.physics.relativity)