Re: The delusions of the idle.


"nuny@xxxxxxx" <Alien8752@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Apr 16, 2:47 am, "Tom Potter" <tdp1...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

As can be seen Mark L. Fergerson
1. Snips and edits my post.

Potter is surely aware that all these posts are archived in their
entirety for anyone to read. No "editing" is possible. Why Potter
thinks anyone would believe that I think "editing" his posts alters
their content is incomprehensible.

2. Runs and hides as I suggested he would.

Potter is apparently losing touch with reality: I have run nowhere
and am not hiding.

3. Whines and calls it bigotry,

Perhaps Potter uses some nonstandard definition of "bigotry". From
the Free Online Dictionary we have:

bigotry - The attitude, state of mind, or behavior characteristic of
a bigot; intolerance.

bigot - One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion,
race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

and:

intolerance - Unwillingness to recognize and respect differences in
opinions or beliefs.

Potter cannot claim I do not "recognize" his evidently one-sided
opinions and beliefs. Perhaps the mere fact that I asked him if he can
provide information about possible "good" actions by Jews or the
existence of "good" Jews is what he perceives as a lack of "respect"
or "tolerance" for his evidently one-sided opinions and beliefs.

However, it is evident from Potter's so-far one-sided portrayal of
Jews as doers of "wrong" actions that he is bigoted against Jews. I
say "evident" because so far Potter has presented only material that
says Jews do "wrong" things and refuses to discuss any possible
material that says they do "right" things.

This is what I am trying to get Potter to clarify; is he, or is he
not, bigoted against Jews? If he is not, then logically he ought to be
able to find and present examples of "right" actions performed by
Jews.

Note that I have not insisted on any particular definitions of
"right" and "wrong"; I am willing to let Potter present his own
definitions of those terms for discussion.

when it is pointed out that he is using
bigotry and attacking the messenger, rather than

Potter accuses me of being bigoted in favor of Jews despite a
complete lack of evidence.

addressing the message in a rational, intelligent, MORAL way,

For Potter, that apparently means "uncritical acceptance and
agreement". If that is not the case, Perhaps Potter will elucidate.

It would incidentally be interesting to know Potter's definition of
"MORAL". From the Free Online Dictionary, we have:

adj.
1. Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of
human action and character: moral scrutiny; a moral quandary.
2. Teaching or exhibiting goodness or correctness of character and
behavior: a moral lesson.
3. Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior;
virtuous: a moral life.
4. Arising from conscience or the sense of right and wrong: a moral
obligation.
5. Having psychological rather than physical or tangible effects: a
moral victory; moral support.
6. Based on strong likelihood or firm conviction, rather than on the
actual evidence: a moral certainty.

It is apparent that objectivity is difficult to apply except in the
case of definition 6 in that all the other definitions imply a
consensus standard of right and wrong, which is variable from place to
place and from time to time.

Potter has offered no standard of right and wrong for participants
in this thread to agree on, but rather presents lists of actions he
says Jews took that he defines as "wrong". Note that I have not
claimed his lists are inaccurate, nor have I claimed the actions are
not "wrong". What I _have_ asked is if Potter can present any evidence
Jews have _also_ performed actions he could define as "right". For no
apparent reason, Potter responds that I am trying to shut him up when
any objective reader can find no cites from any of my posts that I
have done any such thing. Possibly Potter thinks that a list of
"right" actions by Jews would somehow cancel out the lists of "wrong"
actions he presents, which is obviously silly.

Hence Potter's constant insinuations that any who question him, much
less disagree with him are not behaving in a MORAL fashion are
indefensible, unless all parties agreed beforehand that Potter gets to
define what is and is not MORAL behavior. This is, of course, not the
case. Not only has no agreement taken place, no definition has been
presented by Potter for potential agreement.

and that if he wants to make messengers the issue,
that he should post many photos, as I do,
of himself and his family, so folks can
take the messengers into account.

It is still unclear how the participants' physical appearance can
have any bearing on this discussion. Perhaps Potter means to imply
that he is "nonJewish" in appearance (by what standard would be
interesting to know) and is intent on discerning some "Jewishness" in
my physical appearance (again, by what standard would be interesting
to know).

4. Continues to rationalize his support of the gang
that instigated the Class Wars of the 1900's,
and is instigating the Religious Wars of the 2000's.

Potter continues to equate what he sees as my lack of support for
him as positive support for his hated enemies.

Yet any objective, HONEST observer will note that I have not only
not attempted to present material in opposition to his position
(reports of "good" actions by Jews or examples of "good" Jews) but
also that I have not attempted to directly refute any of his
statements about "bad" deeds performed by "bad" Jews.

Hence it is difficult to see exactly how Potter thinks I support
Jews in a positive fashion, or to see how I am "intolerant" of
Potter's message since I have not directly objected to it in part or
in whole.

5. Tries to make me the issue,

Nonsense. My questions about Potter's fairness are a side issue. I
am interested in reviewing as much evidence as is available before
making a decision on any issue. Potter has presented one side of an
argument, I asked him if he has any evidence for any other side(s) of
the argument. He irrationally takes this request as a personal attack.

in order to draw attention from
issues involving the instigation of conflict and war.

Nonsense. If that were the case I would have presented counterclaims
or other refutations of Potter's material. I have not done so.

6. Displays his ignorant of the definition of the word "bigotry".

The definition of "bigot" is:
"A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his
own."

Potter has apparently still not noticed that I HAVE NOT PRESENTED
ANY OPINIONS DIFFERING FROM HIS nor have I attempted to refute HIS
opinions.

Regarding Mark L. Fergerson's phony claim that he wants

Again, Potter intolerantly accuses me of "phoniness".

"Potter <to> clarify _his_ opinions",

I suggest that if Mark L. Fergerson
HONESTLY wanted Potter to "clarify his opinions".

Again, Potter intolerantly implies I am dishonest.

all he has to do in confront the MESSAGES,
rather than try to make the MESSENGER the issue.

And the message that brought out the
bigotry in Mark L. Fergerson

Again, Potter intolerantly mischaracterizes me as bigoted.

is what any rational, intelligent person

Again, Potter intolerantly mischaracterizes anyone who does not
immediately agree with him as irrational and/or unintelligent.

can plainly see, and that is

a small group of people
massacred the Russian Royal Family,
co-opted the Russian government,

and used Russia as a base from where
to instigate the Class Wars of the 1900's
for power and wealth,

and after their Class Wars were discredited,
and the Native Russians regained control of their government,

that the gang instituted a phony "Free Jews" scam
and migrated to America and Israel
at the expense of the American taxpayers,

and they are using these places as safe bases from
where to instigate the Religious Wars of the 2000's

to get back in the chips,
as the loot from their Class Wars is almost gone.

Apparently Potter now thinks I cannot read. I have read this
material before, and have read it again. I do not question, deny, or
attempt to refute it.

What I get from this is that Potter believes all Jews to be "bad"
and capable of only "wrong" actions.

If that is _not_ Potter's opinion, Potter should say so. This is
only important in that Potter may be able to present material
indicating "good" Jews exist and/or that Jews can or have performed
"good" actions.

If it _is_ his opinion, he should say so. This is only important in
that it will show that Potter is not a potential source of such
information.

We will now see if Potter can bring himself to clearly state whether
or not he is bigoted against Jews.

As can be seen Mark L. Fergerson
is all bent out of shape because I pointed out
that Jews have come into conflict with all of their neighbors
throughout history, and that most of the neighbors of Jews
today, and throughout history, have been anti-Semitic.

And it is also interesting to see that
Mark L. Fergerson tries to obscure the fact
that Jews have institutionalized bigotry,
and use bigotry to silence folks who state
facts that Jews don't like to see the public exposed to.

The definition of "bigot" is:
"A prejudiced person
who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own."

To read the stories of a few of the many folks
who have been victims of Institutionalized bigotry
visit the web site below.

<http://www.zundelsite.org/english/debate/victims/index.html>

To address Mark L. Fergerson as to whether or not
I am a "bigot", the answer is obviously no.

As can be seen by my many posts over the years,
I have always defended the right of all
people to express their opinion.

And as can be seen from my posts.
I almost always posts FACTS,
and rarely post my opinion about the facts.
I let the facts speak for themselves.

Apparently Mark L. Fergerson problem is
that as he does not like to see me post
the facts that I post,
he uses the standard, boilerplate tactic used by bigots,
of trying to discredit or silence the messenger,
rather than address the message,
in a rational, intelligent, MORAL, HONEST way.

Regarding Mark L. Fergerson's stupid question:
"What I _have_ asked is if Potter can present any evidence
<Hitler, Saddam, Attila, Tojo, Bush, Nixon, etc.>
have _also_ performed actions he could define as "right"."

The answer is "of course".

But what does that have to do with calling attention
to that fact that Jews have come into conflict with all of
their neighbors throughout history, that they have
institutionalized bigotry, and use it and media presence
to silence critics and promote their agenda (Money and power),
and with the fact that Jews have a long history of
instigating conflict and war for power and riches?

--
Tom Potter

http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html
http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com
http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos

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