# Re: Expansion is wrong and its soooo freakin' obvious

*From*: Sam Wormley <swormley1@xxxxxxxxx>*Date*: Wed, 14 May 2008 03:07:01 GMT

Michael Helland wrote:

On May 13, 5:14 pm, jjs...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:On May 13, 6:07 pm, Michael Helland <mobyd...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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Really? So do you understand what a relativistic doppler shift is? OrNo actually hubble redshift isn't, if you actually understood anyI understand that.

cosmology you understand that....

how about the Friedmann Equations? Do even know what they are? Or what

about a harmonic oscillator, or the maxwell equations? Understand any

of that? If no then you don't know jack shit about what the hell your

talking about....

At the very least, I understand Hubble redshift needs expansion, or an

explanation that yields the same results.

I understand that if redshift meant recessional velocity, that wouldBecause you think your incredible ignorance has gained you access to

place us at the center of something, which can't be right, (Copernican

principle) and that if every point were receding from every point,

like expansion we have something that makes more sense.

I understand that, and that expansion/big bang cosmology is what most

people accept as a fact.

But I don't.

some information to which only ignorant people like you are privy that

all the rest of us who are really scientists have nothing to

contribute since you know best.

Maybe.

Or maybe I just don't accept it.

If light signals decelerated in steady space along the same curve asExcept for the minor point of that isn't observed anywhere...

expansion, it would appear that every point were receding from every

point but that is merely an optical illusion.

If light slowed down in steady space; it would appear as if space was

expanding.

That is observed everywhere.

You like to fool yourself... Expanding space has consequences that

account for the abundances of hydrogen and helium, trace elements

like lithium and the CMB.

No Center

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html

Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html

WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html

WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html

.

I've made 3 predictions that can be tested within 5 to 10 years,Well don't hold your breath mike I wouldn't want you to die before you

depending on when the next super telescope comes out.

We'll see.

see how dumb your idea is...

Oh and just out of curiosity do you know what this is?

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/SphericalHarmonicDifferentialEquation.html

Do you know how to solve it?

Nope.

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