Re: Expansion is wrong and its soooo freakin' obvious

On May 15, 1:31 pm, jjs...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
On May 15, 3:41 pm, Michael Helland <mobyd...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:> On May 15, 7:09 am, jjs...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

Why do photons lose energy?

Think of it like car with full tank of gas.

When the car drives 10 miles, it uses gas in the tank.

But it can drive at a constant speed the whole time.

Let's say the photon has a rule.

After traveling ~ 60 Mpc, the tank starts to get the low, so the
photon takes the foot of the gas.

This is horse-*** since photons are massless and have nothing to do
with gas and cars, sorry mike, this is not a reason.... This is not a
scientific explanation of why a photon loses energy... Photons
propagate at c, its not an if... they are not tied to any form of tank
of gas... this is observed....

This is OBSERVED as Hubble redshift.

NO its not....

Right.

Because light always travels at c, and Jesus loves you.




Well, according to Sean Carroll, it's not conserved.

So if deceleration is in hot water for not conserving energy, so is
expansion:

"Actually, there is a field of physics in which energy is not
conserved: it's called general relativity. In an expanding universe,
as we have known for many decades, the total energy is not conserved.
Nothing fancy to do with dark energy -- the same thing is true for
ordinary radiation. Every photon loses energy by redshifting as the
universe expands, while the total number of photons remains conserved,
so the total energy decreases. An effect which has, of course, been
observed. "

http://preposterousuniverse.blogspot.com/2004/05/doubt-and-dissent-ar...

This is of course complete trash since conservation of energy is
supported by both SR and GR.


"Sean Carroll is a Senior Research Associate in the Department of
Physics at the California Institute of Technology. His research
interests include theoretical aspects of cosmology, field theory, and
gravitation. He is the author of a graduate-level textbook, Spacetime
and Geometry: An Introduction to General Relativity. And if you’re not
(yet) in grad school, you should buy his Teaching Company lectures on
dark matter and dark energy. His first blogging experience was at
Preposterous Universe."

http://cosmicvariance.com/sean/

Light always travels at c, energy is always conserved, and Jesus loves
you.

I show you evidence every day, and you flat out can't handle it.

Because you believe.





Where does this energy go? In what form is energy lost in?

It is used and expires.

Bull***, energy does not expire like that.... if energy is lost it
goes somewhere....

E = hf

Where does energy lost from Hubble redshift go?


and where it goes would be definable.... have you
even heard of the first law of thermodynamics?

Why don't we observe it all around us, at shorter distances?

Why don't we observe Hubble redshift at shorter distances?

Empirical reality just doesn't work that way.

No actually its just that Hubble Redshift does not support your
theory. And your still wrong... can't even give a cogent answer to
simple questions...


Light always travels at c, energy is always conserved, and Jesus loves
you.
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