Re: Newton and the inverse square law

On Jun 6, 8:25 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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"oriel36" <geraldkelle...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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When I  noticed your posts about 7 years ago I did not think much
about it at first  however I knew something about clocks and longitude
due to a book written by Dava Sobel -
http://www.sailtexas.com/long.html
After a while I did pick up on what was annoying the hell out of
everyone and in fact you are right in pointing out a  brainwashing
factor,one based entirely on 'clocks measure a time dimension'.To tell
you the truth,I don't mind that they want to have 'time'  and space
defined for them but I do mind that they inflict it on the rest of
humanity and block out good stuff that we should be looking at instead
of trying to undo the damage of the guys in the late 17th century,the
thing is, that nobody cares anymore but do not know anything else to
do.
They apply the rubber ruler to the Earth,the dumbest thing I have ever
seen and I mean that .I am not kidding,they try to bend 23 hours 56
minutes 04 seconds around the Earth as 24 hours -
"When one moves eastward 15° in longitude, sidereal time [23 hours 56
minutes 04 seconds]  is larger by one hour (note that it wraps around
at 24 hours). "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_time
You have to be a very special person to believe in that rubber
ruler,truly !.Seriously,I do not know how they are getting away with
it,is it because they don't know,don't care or just have a perverse
satisfaction in believing in something as silly as that.Maybe you can
answer it because I certainly cannot.

There seems to be a few factors involved,
and the combination of all of them is the non-existant wall they
can't seem to break down.

Factor #1 is the scariest that they allow...

1)The basic math factor: (probably the worst factor of all)
(also known as the logic factor)

The factor of them not keeping such simple logical truths
such as c+c=2c or you did not actually have c on both sides.
Yet they actually allow c+c= not 2c to be correct logic.


People naturally assume that equations are precise when in fact they
are just simple correlations and far inferior to the geometry needed
to make sense of nature.The mathematical notation 'c' is a point in
fact,its geometric foundation remains based on the fact that the
motion of Jupiter's moon Io appeared to have an erratic motion which
could be accounted for by the fact the the varying orbital distance
between Earth and Jupiter as they orbitted the central Sun produced
the illusion due to finite light speed.There was no notation 'c',there
was just the astronomical adjustment known as the 'Equation of Light'
or Mora Luminis.

This business of squaring light (c^2) is just a silly attempt to hide
the geometric foundations behind its emergence through astronomers
such as Roemer -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ole_R%C3%B8mer

I suppose in this information saturated era it is hard to get people
to focus on these things but you can see where it all ties in with
clocks,longitude and how to find it.Relativity is just a recent
offshoot of the error created by Flamsteed and built on by Newton,it
is not so much a clock malfunction as the malfunction of minds who
read too much into clocks and give them a magic property of 'measuring
a time dimension'.


2) The brainwashing factor:
(also known as the "lemming" factor)

If drilled into the brain and repeated enough and forced
to understand, even if wrong just to get good grades and
look as smart as others doing the same.


This part concerns me the least but there are effectively two types of
individuals involved.There are those who found themselves in a
ideological rut and just cannot manage to find their way out even
when a better way can be shown to them.They do not mean to be that way
but taking a new approach is extremely painful for them,Galileo said
as much -

"I know; such men do not deduce their conclusion from its premises or
establish it by reason, but they accommodate (I should have said
discommode and distort) the premises and reasons to a conclusion which
for them is already established and nailed down. No good can come of
dealing with such people, especially to the extent that their company
may be not only unpleasant but dangerous." Galileo -Dialogue
Concerning the Two Chief World Systems, 1632

Galileo was not exaggerating and that was centuries ago !.Now the
situation is so much worse,generations upon generations who cannot
think for themselves yet can come across as 'authorities' for
astronomy,geology ,climatology and so on.How do you complain against
people who do not know the damage they are causing,even the genuine
ones who do try to make sense of natural causes and effects ?.





3) The Wizard of Oz factor:
also known as the "We are not in this universe Toto" factor

No matter how far you pull the curtain away and show
the reality, they ignore it and revert back to factor 2.


Well the curtain was drawn on them through the education system and it
is the same one that you and I went through albeit in different
countries.To be fair,,nobody is going to complain about those who are
good at engineering but it is impossible to treat structural astronomy
such as the nature of the solar system or the rest of the Universe as
though it were a machine.Astronomy is a talent and many of the
'equational' guys just do not have a talent for even the most basic
astronomical insights - Newton being a good example of what happens
when a mathematician tries to understand Copernican reasoning.


4) The clock malfunction factor:
also known as the "bad history is repeating" factor

No matter how much you show them that time
is merely a counting method invented by humans.
They fail to grasp the problems that all clocks
will have some sort of problem with motion.
They simply refuse to understand absolute timing
like the sciences have grown from using such.


Their problems with clocks is actually a single problem.The old
astronomers (who got it right) never tied axial rotation directly to
clocks,they simply transfered the average 24 hour day to the axial
cycle as a 'constant' by using natural noon as a benchmark.The
Equation of Time which keeps each 24 hour cycle elapsing into the next
24 hour cycle allowed them to transfer this principle to the axial
cycle as a constant but not as an observed 'fact'.

No need to expand this further when the great astronomer Huygens lays
it out -

" Here take notice, that the Sun or the Earth passeth the 12. Signes,
or makes an entire revolution in the Ecliptick in 365 days, 5 hours 49
min. or there about, and that those days, reckon'd from noon to noon,
are of different lenghts; as is known to all that are vers'd in
Astronomy."

http://www.xs4all.nl/~adcs/Huygens/06/kort-E.html

Of course these Wizards of Oz believe otherwise and believe the noon
cycle is 24 hours exactly -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tiempo_sid%C3%A9reo.en.png


5) The rubber ruler factor:

A distance that depends upon a time.
It is a real bad standard for science.
Great for SciFi though.
:)

So,
There you have the 5 factors of the rubber ruler universe.
:)
There are probably more, but I find those the most important
that if learned willingly will break down the wall permanantly.

--
James M Driscoll Jr
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I have nothing to gain by demonstrating how silly people can be and
especially those who try to speak for natural sciences,I would much
prefer to discuss productive material with those who can adapt,adjust
and work with material rather than dither around with junked dumped
into the cosmos such as rubber space,time travel and all the other
junk that we should have outgrown long ago.Is modern imaging not
powerful enough that people still dither around about dark this and
dark that ?.



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