Re: Quantum Gravity 293.0: Probable Causation/Influence (PI) in Prime Number Geometry/Factorizations From France

On Oct 17, 4:12 pm, Huang <huangxienc...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

It makes perfect sense that causation would be probabilistic, but I
doubt that Einstein ever put much energy into that idea. Afterall -
God dont play dice.- Hide quoted text -


From Osher Doctorow:

Huang, Einstein had much insight, but I think that he underestimated
the difficulties that the human brain or mind faces in studying the
Universe and even in communicating with different fields like physics,
mathematics, biology, etc. Erwin Schrodinger of the University of
Vienna, who was a friend of Einstein, had much more understanding of
these communication difficulties, though even he was probably carried
by his friendship too much toward the non-probabilistic view. One of
their big problems was mathematical probability-statistics, which
probably looked so simple to them at that time that they enormously
underestimated its depth. Mathematicians of the probabilistic
specialty would not do that in these days or even in the last few
decades, but statisticians (who use probability as their main
mathematical tool but try usually to focus on relationships with data
including to some extent "data-obsession", although there are some
exceptions especially in Decision Theory and Game Theory) do so a
little more.

One clue should have been that Pierre de Fermat, who co-discovered
Probability in the early 1600s with Pascal, also invented or
discovered modern Number Theory, which led to Cryptography. He also
discovered several calculus equations before Newton and Leibniz, he
discovered Cartesian/Analytic geometry before Descartes, and he
upstaged or "beat" Descartes in the analysis of light speed in water.

Bohr and Heisenberg chose to defend probability in their quantum
theory, largely via Max Born who knew more about it than they did, but
all three far underestimated its nature and importance, and in fact
all the people whom I mentioned above (Einstein, Schrodinger, Bohr,
Heisenberg) seem to have eventually concluded that Statistics is
"Good" while Probability in physics is only a "relic" of its
Statistical nature, an absurdity. One might ask why they did not then
use Statistics, whose main tool is Probability, throughout their
theories as a main tool, if it was so "Good". They got around this
difficulty by claiming and believing that Statistics was only
concerned with the "preparation" of experiments as repeated events,
which for the purposes of Quantum Theory could be put into the
background as a type of "fixed background" much as Theoreticians
sometimes put Experiment into the background as secondary if not
almost irrelevant.

Eventually, "Causation" or "Causality" found their ways into modern
theoretical and mathematical physics (the latter a branch of
mathematics), but mostly without Probability or Statistics, as
constraints on light cones for example. This is like saying that
we're going to study Physics only by studying what happens at the
furthest observable or detectible "boundary" of the Universe.

There was also a backfiring of ergodic theorems which enter this
picture and which enabled physicists to ignore Probability-Statistics
in theoretical developments, but that is a topic for another time
hopefully.

Osher Doctorow

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