Re: Should GR fit to QM ... or QM fit to GR?



Michael Helland wrote:

On Sep 11, 11:19 am, doug <x...@xxxxxx> wrote:

Michael Helland wrote:

On Sep 10, 4:03 pm, doug <x...@xxxxxx> wrote:

Michael Helland wrote:

On Sep 10, 2:20 pm, doug <x...@xxxxxx> wrote:

Michael Helland wrote:

Eric,

I understand what you're saying and why you are saying it.

That said, I think you're on some auto-attack mode and making some
simple mistakes.

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My version of Hubble's Law, where v is the velocity of light, v = c -
Hd.

Except there is literally no evidence for this.

Keep in mind Tired Light has never postulated anything like this, only
that it loses energy, not velocity.

So what? It is still a tired light theory.

If you insist on classifying it as such, then you must accept it is a
novel Tired Light theory:

v = c - Hd

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4. before v = 0, light limps in from the ends of the EM spectrum to
give us a cosmic background

Riiiiiight. And you still can't explain any of the major features of the
CMBR, or explain why the CMBR is uniform to a parts-per-million level.

If the Universe goes off nearly uniformly for all infinity, but the
light has a finite range (Hubble's Limit) then everywhere we look
we'll see light coming in at the end of its range, with some places
with a few more galaxies and some a few less.

So if you assume the universe is uniform, then you can conclude the
universe is uniform. That is not real high powered scientific
reasoning.

Its anti-Copernican to assume that our Hubble Sphere (the one with us
at the center) would be drastically different than every other Hubble
Sphere.

So when you have no idea of what to say, you resort to word salad.

Too big of words, eh?

You make a meaningless rant and we are supposed to think
it is something profound. Do you have any idea what you
are trying to say or is this like all the other times
you have been clueless?








5. where v = 0 everything is black

Magic!

If the v = c - Hd where v is the speed of light in a vacuum...

Then at Hubble's limit, where Hd = c, then v = 0.

That means it stops.

How can light that isn't moving carrying information?

It's black.

It isn't magic.

It's a mathematical consequence of the hypothesis consistent with
observation.

Well, no, since the speed of the light would be less than
c and that would have been seen on earth.

http://www.physorg.com/news110480559.html

Even assuming this were correct, four minutes in a half a billion
years is a long way from what your "theory" requries. This is
about a one part in 10^11 change where your "theory" requires
a change that is huge in comparison.

The four minute difference is between light with different energies
traveling the same distance.

I think both energies of light are traveling less than c, but one of
them a little less than the other.

So you did not understand any of what was said. This "effect" is
millions of times too small to fit your nonsense.



The effect is not the cause of redshift, but evidence of a difference
in the deceleration of light with different energy levels.


I will take your reply as saying that you had no idea
what I was saying and so you will continue to spout nonsense.




6. if light only slows down (rather than space expanding) galaxies are
actually closer together than estimated

Which you cannot quantify or prove.

If space expands, the light traveling through that space takes longer
to reach its destination than if the space were not expanding.

However, in regular non-expanding space, the light could slow down at
the exact right rate to mimic its trip through expanding space.

It too would take longer to reach its destination than if it remained
at a constant speed.

7. again, galaxies are closer together than estimated, thus explaining
the stronger gravity (in BB expansion affects both gravity and EM, but
in Slow Light it only affects EM)

Handwaving without evidence. Classic marks of a crank.

If space is expanding, then both gravity and EM radiation are
affected.

If light is slowing down, then only EM radiation is affected.

That's one predictive difference and presumably testable difference
between expansion and v = c - Hd.

Of course, the observations state that "dark matter" must exist to
explains gravities strength over expanded distances.

If the galaxies were closer, as my equation predicts, then less dark
matter would be needed.

How much less? Would there be no need for it at all?

That remains to be seen. If the answer turns out to be 0, then that's
a pretty powerful prediction.

8. rather than expansion accelerating, the velocity of light drops off
faster than the v = c - Hd line, for example, v = c - Hd^u where u is
yet to be discovered.

Oh, another adjustable parameter. Imagine that.

I actually think v = c - Hd is a linear approximation for a discrete
program.

Imagine that.

Sam, you know what would really help me examine the Big Bang a little
more?

An education in physics would be a great start, but you are too stupid for
that to be useful.

A list of galaxies, their redshifts, and their distances that Hubble's
Constant can be derived from.

I've been searching Google, but haven't found anything very useful.

Any ideas?

Seriously, Mike? Are you that helpless and pathetic that you can't even look
up Hubble's ORIGINAL PAPER on the subject, or anything a little more recent?

Goddamn you are pitiful.

I found Hubble's Original paper and warnings that I should use
something more recent.

And no, I couldn't find a simple, recent chart with distances and z's.

Jeez, does it hurt that much to ask?


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