Re: Apollo One, the FBI, and Scott Grissom

From: Charleston (Charleston_at_coxdotgoeshere.net)
Date: 06/04/04 

Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:45:33 -0700

"LaDonna Wyss" <hpywife927@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I just had the luxury of surfing the Internet for the first time in
> several months, and ran across several postings by Hallerb and Scott
> Grissom. Please allow me to clarify some things.

Okaaaaaaaaaaaay.

> 1. I am the person who obtained the FBI dossier on Apollo One
> regarding "espionage and enemy sabotage." Notable is not just the FBI
> paperwork, but also the federal agencies who were assisting the FBI in
> their investigation: The ACSI, ONI, OSI, and Secret Service. I have
> FOIA's pending to obtain these files as well. (Note to the person who
> compared it to his term paper: No one said this is the complete file.
> This is only what they were willing to RELEASE.)

Neat and it says?

> 2. Scott is not the best at explaining evidence,

Actually he is pretty good at explaining things, unfortunately he chose to
explain very little here.

> although he does his best.

I disagree. At least not on these sci groups.

> Gus Grissom, Ed White, and Roger Chaffee all had, as the second
> PRIMARY cause of death HEMORRHAGIC pulmonar y edema.

Where did you get that information? The pulmonary edema was a manifestation
of asphyxia.

The actual cause of death was "asphyxia due to inhalation of toxic gases due
to fire." Plain and simple.

The contributory cause of death was "thermal burns".

As for the pulmonary hemorrhagic edema it is listed as follows.

"Pathological diagnosis:

1. Asphyxia due to inhalation of toxic gases due to fire, *manifested by*:

a. carbon monoxide poisoning.

b. soot within nose, oral cavity, and bronchi.

c. hemorrhagic pulmonary edema *diffuse*.

Now as to what would cause pulmonary edema, please remember that this was no
ordinary fire. The pressure in the capsule reached some 29 psi before the
pressure vessel ruptured. It should be no shock that each astronaut
suffered some unquantified but diffuse hemorrhagic pulmonary edema. Under
normal atmospheric pressure one might not see this manifestation but under
twice the normal atmospheric pressure I am not really surprised.

> takes 15 to 20 minutes to develop, and P.E. does not develop
> post-mortem. As for one person' comment that the doctors on scene
> were in the best position to determine the crew's fate: The doctors
> were ordered by security NOT to proceed to the Command Module until
> 7PM, and did not arrive at the White Room until 7:02, 31 minutes after
> the fire. By then it was too late.

It was *likely* too late within one or two minutes of the compromise of
their suits which were interconnected. Within four minutes there was
virtually no hope. The fire was quite toxic in and of itself. The only
thing that could have saved the crew was an immediate way out of the damn
capsule. The autopsy studies are pretty clear on this issue.

> Finally on this point: The only
> medical intervention needed to revers both apoxia (the first primary
> cause of death) and hemorrhagic pulmonary edema was oxygen. Prompt
> medical treatment would have saved all three men.

The CO blood gas levels (saturation) were:

Chaffee:

Lung 69%
Blood 45%
Kidney 22%
Brain 37%
Liver 10%
Muscle 7%
Spleen 5%

Grissom:

Lung 58%
Blood 48%
Kidney 37%
Brain 20%
Liver 20%
Muscle 17%

White:

Lung 58%
Blood 38%
Kidney 44%
Brain 18%
Liver 27%
Muscle 22%

The uneven CO saturation levels througout the body are consistent with rapid
onset of death. Had the CO levels been more evenly distributed by the heart
through the bloodstream, then that would reflect lower levels of CO exposure
over a longer period of time. Oxygen deprivation to the heart muscle led
directly to heart failure which then caused rapid deprivation of oygen to
the brain followed by rapid onset of death. I am sorry it happened that way
but the autopsy results make sense to me and others with significantly more
medical backgroud than I have.

> 3. My own, independent investigation has not only confirmed Scott's
> allegations but has also revealed much more supporting evidence.
> Anyone who is interested may feel free to post to this thread, email
> me, or both.

Have you read the report at my website or looked at the associated
photographs? I have read most of the Congressional Report on the Apollo
1/204 report. The piece of metal that was of such intense interest here a
while ago is most assuredly a part of a support bracket for MDC 8.

See page 2266 of the report. D-18-362 

-- 
Daniel
http://www.challengerdisaster.info
Mount Charleston, not Charleston, SC