Re: Cassini-Huygens Mission status report

From: LaDonna Wyss (hpywife927_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 06/09/04 

Date: 8 Jun 2004 17:15:30 -0700

Charles Buckley <rijrunner@frii.com> wrote in message news:<40c5be27$0$209$75868355@news.frii.net>...
> Christopher M. Jones wrote:
> > Charles Buckley wrote:
> >
> >> You do realise how long it was between the foundation of the
> >> US and the time they started direct elections of the President and
> >> Senate, don't you?
> >
> >
> > This is a hilarious point for several reasons.
> > First because the President of the US is not
> > technically directly elected even today.
>
> So, you're making your point on the *relative*
> degree of indirectness of elections? Have you ever
> voted for someone running for the Electoral College?
> (I have, but that varies by state).
>
> Second
> > because America's system of government is far,
> > far more populist than any in Europe.
>
> And it only took 200 years and a Civil War and any number
> of necessary events to coalesce that form of government.
> You're not allowing for a transition period. It was difficult
> for the US to get states to agree to the Constitution and
> that was after the first attempt at a limitted federal government
> failed and anarchy was a real possibility. You're expecting
> countries with thousands of years of sovereignty to turn around
> and give it up with no real issue.
>
> Would you, for instance, agree to the US joining a World Government?
> If so, what terms and limitations would you put on it? Can you
> expect anything less from people and countries actually doing this?
>
> That the EU is being created is enough of a strain as it is. It
> requires a development period.
>
> Some of
> > the election systems in Europe are so indirect
> > it makes me wonder if they really should be
> > called democracies.
>
>
> This differs from early America in what way exactly?
>
> In any event, the EU
> > cannot reasonably be called a democratic
> > institution.
>
> Except for the House of Representatives, that is also a direct
> statement of the US until the year 1913 when they allowed the
> people to elect both houses on Congress.

May I ask which Charles Buckley is posting here? Are you related to
the former NASA security chief?

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