Re: Mountains Rush and Moore

From: Eric Chomko (echomko_at__at_polaris.umuc.edu)
Date: 08/13/04 

Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:08:37 +0000 (UTC)

Scott Hedrick (dinehnm@yahoo.com) wrote:

: "Eric Chomko" <echomko_at_@polaris.umuc.edu> wrote in message
: news:cfdfas$k7c$1@news.ums.edu...
: > A booming economy?!

: My income is up considerably.

So, that is a single data point.

: So is my parent's income.

I take it that your parents are not retired. My parents are ans their
income is down from when Clinton was in office.

: My brother and his
: wife have had their incomes double since Bush entered office. My in-laws are
: doing great. When I couldn't find a job that paid enough to take care of my
: family, I started my own business. Pretty much the only people who are doing
: badly are the ones too lazy to work.

Much of the Information Technology industry has gone overseas. Many of
those people have restorted to going into the mortgage and refinace
industry. With interest rates going up and the wave of refinace having
past with the rates having bottomed out two years ago, that industry
has run its course WRT helping the economy as well as providing interim
jobs.

All we have is a housing value bubble that looks a lot like the Dot-com
stock market of 6-8 years ago.

: > : to be "so little", then you'd have a point.
: >
: > We have two allies in the world, Endgland and Israel

: France? Australia? Germany? Poland? Italy? Where are they? When did they
: *stop* being US allies?

France? They hate us and we hate them. Don't you remember the "freedom
fries" name change? All the rest are neutral at best and many of the
people in those countries really don't like us. mostly due to Bush's
pompousness. "Either you are with us or you are against us." THAT leaves
people saying, "screw you", we are with neither of those choices.

: > Nice legacy.

: Yes, I'd say Bush has done alright for himself and the country.

You're blind. Watch W lose this fall. Bush votes + Nader votes < Kerry
votes.

: > : Haven't been watching the news for the last few years, have you? The *in
: > : place* human intelligence was gutted. It takes years to get assets in
: > : places. Too much love was placed on technology and not enough on people.
: > : Clinton didn't start the gutting, but he sure continued it.
: >
: > The intelligence community was inherently bad from the days of Reagan.

: >If you
: > mean Clinton was trying to put those hombres out of work, then more power
: > to him.

: And look at the results. It takes years, if not decades, to get people in
: place to be of any use, and you think that Bush could have fixed that in a
: few months. What alternate reality do you live in?

The reality that much of the so-called plans division in the CIA is a
corrupt organization that is nothing more than a mercenary force going
out to the highest bidder. You are oblivious of the self-serving nature of
this administration and those around them.

: > : If you consider:
: > : virtually eliminating the Taliban and setting Afghanistan on the
: road to
: > : freedom;
: > : eliminating Saddam and setting Iraq back on the road to
: civilization;
: > : a booming economy
: >
: > You repeat your bullshit!

: If you consider the truth to be bullshit, then you'd have a point. You're
: starting to sound like a Democrat.

And you are hopelessly a Republican.

: Here is the deal, when W gets the boot this fall
: > you will be proven wrong.

: Not at all. It would only mean the American public prefers style over
: substance. Bush is too busy working to be able to spend time snowboarding.

Bush can't even run the country much less campaign at the same time. Watch
him during the debates THIS time.

: I'll give the Democrats credit- Clinton was pretty good on the sax, and
: Kerry looks pretty good on the snow. The Democrats seem to be unhappy most
: of the time, but they do seem to be able to have more intense fun.

Right, whereas the Republicans aren't allowed to have fun, because they
are too busy kissing the ass of the Christian Right or the Saudi royal
family.

: > : > : I agree. The only thing that should be even scarcer than Republicans
: > : would
: > : > : be Democrats.
: > : >
: > : > Maybe at the state level but not the Feds.
: >
: > : Why not? What has the Democratic Party ever done for you or anyone else?
: >
: > The keep the Republicans from closing down the National Parks, NASA
: > (excepting JSC and KSC), NOAA and Govt.-sponsored R&D, all in the name of
: > tax breaks.

: And how does the *Democratic Party* do that? I thought that was the function
: of Congress.

The president creates the budget in which Congress votes on.

: Seperation of church and state, free speech, foster better
: > relations with overseas allies, just to name a few things.

: So, under what authority does the Democratic Party do these things?

By being open to suggestion and not thinking that they have all the
answers, inherently. As dumb as W is, he thinks he's smart and cagey. He
forgets who we works for! And WE are going to let him know about it this
fall. You GOPers have hit the voting booths hard since 1994. But after
2000 election, watch the people come out and vote THIS time. Large voter
turn out = bad results for the GOP. You might even lose the Senate.

: > : > : Truman had the right
: > : > : > idea.
: > : >
: > : > : What, to not run for a third term?
: > : >
: > : > No, to keep the GOP in check.
: >
: > : I doubt that he wrote many checks to the GOP.
: >
: > He kept them in balance as in "checks and balances".

: Ah, so you think Truman was an accountant, now.

Sort of. But SOMEONE needed to do it!

: > Tax breaks and when they screw up they can
: > alwys claim that you get what you pay for.

: Sounds like the Democratic run world, where you screw the people who create
: jobs and give to people too lazy to work.

Sorry to hear that you are surrounded by lazy people. What's the matter,
not a good motivator?

: > : > Kerry seems to agree with Clinton on the Vietnam War (i.e. it was a
: > : > mistake).
: >
: > : Which, of course, isn't relevant to the point I made.
: >
: > You bringing Clinton up at all is not relevant.

: Once again, it's clear you missed the point entirely. When it appears to be
: convenient to the Democrats, they emphasize military service. When Clinton
: was running, it wasn't to their advantage, so they downplayed it.

But the Republicans have made more of an issue about Kerry's service than
Kerry has. It started with the medals over the White House lawn and now
has gone with this smear book from swift boat captains and such. The whole
project is smear from top to bottom.

: > : >W is trying to make Iraq into another Vietnam.
: >
: > : Why? Please provide verifiable documentation.
: >
: > No exit strategy, just spend, spend, spend.

: OK, and where will that document be located? Please provide a verifiable
: cite.

It isn't in the White House where it belongs. Ask Richard Perle, HE would
know.

: > : > : > No, he went AWOL with no records of service for 9 months other
: than a
: > : > : > dental record.
: > : >
: > : > : Prove it. The facts do not support any claim of being AWOL.
: > : >
: > : > The proof is in the fact that no records exist that state W was in
: > : > Alabama.
: >
: > : Sorry, it doesn't work that way. You said he was AWOL, please provide
: > : records that support that claim. A lack of records does not do this.
: >
: > Sure it does. No records = no service.

: Ah, so, if the records get destroyed, history gets altered, right? If I were
: to take someone's service record and destroy it, they would suddenly vanish
: from photos taken at the time?

Yes, and all very covenient for W. Trying to put all the focus of military
service on Kerry only tries to shift the focus of W's lack of service.

: >W was AWOL!

: Prove it!

He didn't even show up for his own physical. THe only reocrd W has of
being in Alabama is a dental record.

: > : After
: > : all, there are also many people whose service records were destroyed as
: a
: > : result of fire- does that mean that they didn't really serve after all?
: >
: > Name one person other than W that had military records destroyed. Can you?

: As a matter of fact, I seem to recall a plane carrying servicemen *and their
: records* that crashed in, I believe, Nova Scotia, in the 80s. Identifying
: the bodies was a challenge precisely because their service records had been
: destroyed. This caused the military to change their habit of sending service
: jackets along with the people being transferred.

: More to the point, I've had difficulties in finding the records of certain
: Korean war veterans, because of a fire at a records storage facility.
: Storing records wasn't- and still isn't- a big priority.

Way to convenient for W.

: > : Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
: >
: > In the case of W's silverspoon-life it does.

: Carl Sagan would disagree.

Carl Sagan would support Kerry not W.

: > : > : > : Haven't heard Al Franken's *fair and balanced* discussion about
: > : Moore's
: > : > : > : fraudulent digital alteration of a newspaper in his movie.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Scott, you're part of a shrinking group of right wingers
: > : >
: > : > : Bite me. Let's see your verifiable evidence to that effect.
: > : >
: > : > Bite me? mrmrmrmrmrmrmrhahahahahahahahahahahaha...
: > : > That is the funniest thing I've heard since I was 13!
: >
: > : Now let's see your verifiable evidence.
: >
: > The polls back be up.

: What polls did you conduct about my being "part of a shrinking group of
: right wingers"?

: > : > : as the center has
: > : > : > left your party.
: > : >
: > : > : What party is that? Please provide verifiable evidence of party
: > : affiliation.
: > : >
: > : > : > the pendulum has reversed its swing.
: > : >
: > : > : Yes- the pendulum towards continued erosion of property rights and
: > : continued
: > : > : increases in government benefits to freeloaders *has* shifted away,
: and
: > : the
: > : > : Democrats can't fight it.
: > : >
: > : >
: > : > Right, so you are a libertarian?
: >
: > : You are the one making claims about my party affiliation. Please provide
: > : some verifiable evidence.
: >
: > Hell, I just asked.

: No, you said: > : > : as the center has
: > : > : > left your party

: What party is that? Please provide your verifiable evidence.

: >You defend W the GOP lackey in
: > the White House.

: I just tell the truth.

No, you confuse your opinion with reality. It is a characteristic of being
on the right. You are the type of scientist that when the data doesn't
match your hypothesis you alter the data. THAT is your standard of truth.

And what do you do as one that is self-employed? Just curious.

Eric

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