Re: Mountains Rush and Moore

From: Eric Chomko (echomko_at__at_polaris.umuc.edu)
Date: 08/16/04 

Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:24:58 +0000 (UTC)

Scott Hedrick (dinehnm@yahoo.com) wrote:

: "Eric Chomko" <echomko_at_@polaris.umuc.edu> wrote in message
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: > Scott Hedrick (dinehnm@yahoo.com) wrote:
: >
: > : "Eric Chomko" <echomko_at_@polaris.umuc.edu> wrote in message
: > : news:cfdfas$k7c$1@news.ums.edu...
: > : > A booming economy?!
: >
: > : My income is up considerably.
: >
: > So, that is a single data point.

: Sure, if you ignore all the others. The only thing that is *down* is the
: quality of reporting on the economy, which is expected because the facts do
: not support the liberal media.

What you fail to grasp is that whole industries are going overseas. The
liberal media has nothing to do with that. If anything they will omit how
bad it really is and pander to the conservatives in that regard.

: > : So is my parent's income.
: >
: > I take it that your parents are not retired.

: My father is semi-retired, working when he wants to. My mother is a
: homemaker. They travel about half the year.

: My parents are ans their
: > income is down from when Clinton was in office.

: They should have managed their money better.

Anyone in the st*** market from 1998-2002 can say the same damn thing!
Hell, my 401K went down. Did yours actually go up during THAT time?

: > : My brother and his
: > : wife have had their incomes double since Bush entered office. My in-laws
: are
: > : doing great. When I couldn't find a job that paid enough to take care
: of my
: > : family, I started my own business. Pretty much the only people who are
: doing
: > : badly are the ones too lazy to work.
: >
: > Much of the Information Technology industry has gone overseas.

: So, start a business in another field.

Only if I leave the area and can retrain what I have here.

: Many of
: > those people have restorted to going into the mortgage and refinace
: > industry.

: Good for them! It can be challenging.

...and a big pain in the ass.

: > With interest rates going up and the wave of refinace having
: > past with the rates having bottomed out two years ago, that industry
: > has run its course WRT helping the economy as well as providing interim
: > jobs.

: Time to start looking for something else.

Yep, people can no longer expect to be in the same field for their whole
career like it was in the 50s. You know that utopian times that you
conservatives strive for. Yeah, you must be more liberal minded when it
comes to finding work as it tends to shift and move much faster these
days.

: > All we have is a housing value bubble that looks a lot like the Dot-com
: > stock market of 6-8 years ago.

: A house is never worth any more than a ready and willing buyer is willing to
: pay at the moment asked.

False! It is worth as much as a lender is willing to lend for it. If they
screw up, then oh well. Sale AND refinacing dicate what the value of a
house are worth.

Another damn thing that YOU are forgetting is the location in which one
lives. I bet you that if you move to the DC area and you would not be able
to compete like you do where you are from. On the same token, I bet I
could take your damn job! But not to worry as you be ever so resourceful
would simply find another job!

So, what this means in many cases is that people must relocate when they
are focrced to take that lower paying job you are talking about just to be
able to make ends meet. Loads of freedom in that concept!

: > : France? Australia? Germany? Poland? Italy? Where are they? When did they
: > : *stop* being US allies?
: >
: > France? They hate us and we hate them.

: Since when? There wouldn't be a US without France.

Don't confuse Lafayette with all of France.

: Don't you remember the "freedom
: > fries" name change?

: In your neighborhood. Besides, they aren't really "French" fries, anyway.

: All the rest are neutral at best and many of the
: > people in those countries really don't like us.

: You think so, huh? *You* sure haven't been watching the news.

Hell they root against us at the Olympics!

: > : > Nice legacy.
: >
: > : Yes, I'd say Bush has done alright for himself and the country.
: >
: > You're blind.

: I ignore the lies, you mean.

You're blindedness is of the truth.

: > Bush votes + Nader votes < Kerry
: > votes.

: I'm certain that all three will cast votes. Unlike yourself, I'm aware that
: there is no provision making any one vote count more or less than any other.
: The truth is: Bush vote = Nader vote = Kerry vote. That's part of the
: greatness of this country.

Here let me rephrase so even you get it this time:
Bush vote totals + Nader vote totals < Kerry vote totals

: > : And look at the results. It takes years, if not decades, to get people
: in
: > : place to be of any use, and you think that Bush could have fixed that in
: a
: > : few months. What alternate reality do you live in?
: >
: > The reality that much of the so-called plans division in the CIA is a
: > corrupt organization

: Let's see your verifiable evidence. Let's also see the verifiable evidence
: that supports your belief that Bush could have fixed the intelligence
: agencies within 8 months.

Read my lips, "THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES WERE NEVER BROKEN". Blaming
Clinton is not taking responisbility for what happened on their watch.
That type of thinking is akin to conservatives blaming the liberal media
as they really are claiming to be victims. Like you say about people and
work, "get off your ass". Well, if you don't like the media, then change
it and stop bitching.

: >You are oblivious of the self-serving nature of
: > this administration

: Which makes them different than any other administration in what way?

Well, other administrations never claimed to start a pre-emptive war on so
little evidence and then give no-bid contracts to former employers.

: > : If you consider the truth to be bull***, then you'd have a point.
: You're
: > : starting to sound like a Democrat.
: >
: > And you are hopelessly a Republican.

: Once again, you are invited to provide verifiable evidence. Otherwise, it's
: just another lie on your part. No matter how often you tell a lie, it
: doesn't become the truth. Even Clinton eventually learned that lesson.

What lesson was that?

: > : Not at all. It would only mean the American public prefers style over
: > : substance. Bush is too busy working to be able to spend time
: snowboarding.
: >
: > Bush can't even run the country

: He seems to be doing it now, and well. He can do his job better on the road
: than Kerry. How's Kerry's Senate attendance record since he started running?

Bush's numbers are dropping in many key states like Ohio.

: > : I'll give the Democrats credit- Clinton was pretty good on the sax, and
: > : Kerry looks pretty good on the snow. The Democrats seem to be unhappy
: most
: > : of the time, but they do seem to be able to have more intense fun.
: >
: > Right, whereas the Republicans aren't allowed to have fun

: Why's that? Perhaps it's because the Republicans are too busy looking out
: for the country instead of trying to kiss Barbra Streisand's ass.

Republicans are too busy looking out adter their own fortunes. They could
give a wit about the country as long as they get their share.

: > : And how does the *Democratic Party* do that? I thought that was the
: function
: > : of Congress.
: >
: > The president creates the budget in which Congress votes on.

: True- but that doesn't answer my question. What has the *Democratic Party*
: done for you?

Kept the location of where I work from going to California after the GOP
takeover in Congress for starters.

: > : Seperation of church and state, free speech, foster better
: > : > relations with overseas allies, just to name a few things.
: >
: > : So, under what authority does the Democratic Party do these things?
: >
: > By being open to suggestion and not thinking that they have all the
: > answers, inherently.

: And the part of the Constitution that gives the Democratic Party that
: authority would be...?

The Constitution is ignored by the GOP. It has been replced by the
National Security Act. The GOP have found ways to circumvent the
Constitution by invoking the call of "national security".

: > He
: > forgets who we works for! And WE are going to let him know about it this
: > fall.

: Just like Tennessee let Gore know.

No, W will win Texas, but a lot less of the other states he won in 2000.

: >You GOPers

: Who else are you talking to? I thought you were replying to me.

Other hard-head conservatives...what?

: > You might even lose the Senate.

: It's not mine to begin with. It belongs to the American People. That you
: think of it as a possession says a lot about you.

I thought it belonged to the GOP? What has the GOP done for you?

: > : Ah, so you think Truman was an accountant, now.
: >
: > Sort of. But SOMEONE needed to do it!

: How balanced were Truman's budgets?

Deficits NEVER started to occur regularly until Nixon came into the White
House. In fact, Bill Clinton has been the ONLY president to preside over a
balanced budget since Nixon. Before Nixon balancing the budget was the
norm. See: http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=1821&sequence=0

: > : Sounds like the Democratic run world, where you screw the people who
: create
: > : jobs and give to people too lazy to work.
: >
: > Sorry to hear that you are surrounded by lazy people.

: Well, I let you hang around.

I'd run circles around you, boy!

I move at least as fast as you in a town that moves at least twice as fast
as yours. Around here, you'd be half-steppin. :)

: What's the matter,
: > not a good motivator?

: Government aid is never a good motivator.

Depends on the situation. Isn't the space program effectively government
aid?

Surely the NOAA satellites that provide us with hurricane data is good
expense of government funds. Right?

: > : Once again, it's clear you missed the point entirely. When it appears to
: be
: > : convenient to the Democrats, they emphasize military service. When
: Clinton
: > : was running, it wasn't to their advantage, so they downplayed it.
: >
: > But the Republicans have made more of an issue about Kerry's service than
: > Kerry has.

: The difference is, *Kerry* has made all sorts of unsubstantiated claims
: about his service, much of which could be cleared up if he released his
: records. So far, everything Bush has claimed has been shown to be true.

Shown what? Be specific. That book, "Not Fit to Serve", is pure anti-Kerry
propaganda. It is far worse than Fahrenheit 911 because none of it is
true. In F-911 you get to see W being W.

By
: your past reasoning, Kerry is lying, because there are no records to support
: his claims. Let's see the records. For that matter, Mrs. Bush made her tax
: records available, why doesn't Mrs Kerry?

: >It started with the medals over the White House lawn

: *Kerry* said that he threw his medals away, a clear lie.

: and now
: > has gone with this smear book from swift boat captains and such.

: Please provide verifiable evidence that the swift boat captains are wrong.

The project money has come from Texas and not anywhere else. The publisher
is Regnery, which is a notorious right-wing propagandist. The whole thing
has the earmark of "smear" written all over it.

And now, one of the contributors to the book is back-peddling.

: The whole
: > project is smear from top to bottom.

: Well, *you* are the one hanging out the the Democrats, so you shouldn't
: complain about their stench.

Tell me what has been shown or told about W that didn't come right from
the source?

: > : > : >W is trying to make Iraq into another Vietnam.
: > : >
: > : > : Why? Please provide verifiable documentation.
: > : >
: > : > No exit strategy, just spend, spend, spend.
: >
: > : OK, and where will that document be located? Please provide a verifiable
: > : cite.
: >
: > It isn't in the White House where it belongs. Ask Richard Perle, HE would
: > know.

: LaToya? Is that you?

: Your claim *your* burden.

PNAC. Look it up.

: > : > : > : Prove it. The facts do not support any claim of being AWOL.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > The proof is in the fact that no records exist that state W was in
: > : > : > Alabama.
: > : >
: > : > : Sorry, it doesn't work that way. You said he was AWOL, please
: provide
: > : > : records that support that claim. A lack of records does not do this.
: > : >
: > : > Sure it does. No records = no service.
: >
: > : Ah, so, if the records get destroyed, history gets altered, right? If I
: were
: > : to take someone's service record and destroy it, they would suddenly
: vanish
: > : from photos taken at the time?
: >
: > Yes, and all very covenient for W.

: So you believe that, because there are no records, that W has actually
: vanished from photos taken at the time? Sorta like "Back to the Future"?

W wishes he had
Back to the Furture" powers. W missed his last physical and was grounded.
That was the beginning of his being AWOL.

: Trying to put all the focus of military
: > service on Kerry only tries to shift the focus of W's lack of service.

: So, if I were to take someone's service jacket at random and burn it, then
: time would magically alter itself and that person would never have served?

There would be other records. Reocrds that one could get from the FOIA.
Seems when one does that with W's, they are told that his records were
destroyed.

: All because the records of that time were destroyed? Are you saying the
: records themselves are magical, and hold the key to time? What about people
: who are involved in covert actions where there are no records of the actual
: action- that's just imaginary?

But like the JFK assassination, you can't cover it ALL up. Evidence has a
way of leaking out, even the best covert operation. Nothing is perfect.
Even the 9/11 hijackers left tell-tale signs.

: > : >W was AWOL!
: >
: > : Prove it!
: >
: > He didn't even show up for his own physical. THe only reocrd W has of
: > being in Alabama is a dental record.

: Proof that he was there. Now let's see proof of your AWOL charge.

He uses the service for a dental work yet his CO can't recall ever seeing
him. What kind of crap is that? Even for the NG that is pretty lax. Face
it, W treated the NG like school and dropped out.

: > : > : After
: > : > : all, there are also many people whose service records were destroyed
: as
: > : a
: > : > : result of fire- does that mean that they didn't really serve after
: all?
: > : >
: > : > Name one person other than W that had military records destroyed. Can
: you?
: >
: > : As a matter of fact, I seem to recall a plane carrying servicemen *and
: their
: > : records* that crashed in, I believe, Nova Scotia, in the 80s.
: Identifying
: > : the bodies was a challenge precisely because their service records had
: been
: > : destroyed. This caused the military to change their habit of sending
: service
: > : jackets along with the people being transferred.
: >
: > : More to the point, I've had difficulties in finding the records of
: certain
: > : Korean war veterans, because of a fire at a records storage facility.
: > : Storing records wasn't- and still isn't- a big priority.
: >
: > Way to convenient for W.

: So what's Kerry's excuse for not releasing his own records? Or his wife's
: tax return?

What records does Kerry have that haven't been released? His wife's tax
returns that are not released are only the part related to her
contributions. And if memory serves -hey, wait- YOU should know this! Does
she have to disclose where her tax deductable constrabutions go to? IS
THAT neccessarily part of the public record?

: > : > : Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
: > : >
: > : > In the case of W's silverspoon-life it does.
: >
: > : Carl Sagan would disagree.
: >
: > Carl Sagan would support Kerry not W.

: Prove it. Ask him.

He's dead. That is why I said "would" and not "does".

: > : > : > : > : Haven't heard Al Franken's *fair and balanced* discussion
: about
: > : > : Moore's
: > : > : > : > : fraudulent digital alteration of a newspaper in his movie.
: > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : > Scott, you're part of a shrinking group of right wingers
: > : > : >
: > : > : > : Bite me. Let's see your verifiable evidence to that effect.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Bite me? mrmrmrmrmrmrmrhahahahahahahahahahahaha...
: > : > : > That is the funniest thing I've heard since I was 13!
: > : >
: > : > : Now let's see your verifiable evidence.
: > : >
: > : > The polls back be up.
: >
: > : What polls did you conduct about my being "part of a shrinking group of
: > : right wingers"?
: >

: I guess I'll have to ask it again- you claimed that polls back you up about
: my being a right winger- what polls are those?

"Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck..."

: > : > : > : as the center has
: > : > : > : > left your party.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > : What party is that? Please provide verifiable evidence of party
: > : > : affiliation.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > : > the pendulum has reversed its swing.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > : Yes- the pendulum towards continued erosion of property rights
: and
: > : > : continued
: > : > : > : increases in government benefits to freeloaders *has* shifted
: away,
: > : and
: > : > : the
: > : > : > : Democrats can't fight it.
: > : > : >
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Right, so you are a libertarian?
: > : >
: > : > : You are the one making claims about my party affiliation. Please
: provide
: > : > : some verifiable evidence.
: > : >
: > : > Hell, I just asked.
: >
: > : No, you said: > : > : as the center has
: > : > : > : > left your party
: >
: > : What party is that? Please provide your verifiable evidence.
: >
: > : >You defend W the GOP lackey in
: > : > the White House.
: >
: > : I just tell the truth.
: >
: > No, you confuse your opinion with reality.

: Like a good Democrat. eh?

Never said that Democrats speak reality.

: Still waiting for your verifiable evidence to support your claims about my
: party affiliation. Changing the subject won't make it go away.

Okay, what party are you related to , if not the Republicans?

: It is a characteristic of being
: > on the right.

: Yes, telling the truth *is* a characteristic of being on the right. It's
: also one of my characteristics.

Do you think being right is the same as telling the truth?

: >You are the type of scientist

: Please provide verifiable evidence that I am a scientist.

Okay, you are more like Igor than Frankenstein...

: > And what do you do as one that is self-employed?

: I'm a writer, among other things.

Yes, yes, I saw the list...

I wonder if you would make it out of your own town.

Eric

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