Re: Mountains Rush and Moore

From: Mike Walsh (mp1walsh_at_adelphia.net)
Date: 08/25/04 

Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:02:44 -0700

"Scott Hedrick" <dinehnm@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7PTWc.15957$N11.3405@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Mike Walsh" <mp1walsh@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:e_6dnXDkJrr6JbbcRVn-gA@adelphia.com...
> > Certainly, some one is lying and unless you assume that there is
> > a major media conspiracy to back Kerry then it is the
> > "Swiftboar Vets" group.
>
> It's not a conspiracy- it's an admitted fact. Even Uncle Walter has
admitted
> that the news was often intentionally slanted toward the liberal side.

You are claiming that the media coverage that has been refuting the claim
that there was no enemy fire when Kerry won his Silver Star was because the
media are liberal? Admittedly, I have not been watching the Fox network and
most of my claim is based on newspaper reports of interviews with other
veterans of the same operation. Also Newsweek coverage of both the
story of Kerry's pulling a crew member to safety and their report on
documentation of damage to his boat.

The stories don't match. I have no way of confirming the stories of either
group of veterans or whether Newsweek is giving a straight investigative
story.

>
> I suspect there is a lot of continuing
> > rancor because of Kerry's anti-Vietnam War position after he
> > returned to the U.S.
>
> Yes- he's a hypocrite because of it. By his own testimony, he's a war
> criminal. He can't have it both ways.

He can't have what both ways? I don't see a contradiction in claims of
having
fought well in the VietNam war and opposing the war after he returned to
the U.S.

Kerry is a pretty good politician, and he can indeed have it both ways.

>
> > And there are people who seem to think that
> > Michael Moore is a model of truth and fairness.
>
> I just read a columnist who quoted George Stephanopolous as having
> interviewed some people about why they watched Moore's movie. Many of them
> said they saw it to see "the facts."
>
> You don't go to the movies to see "the facts". I think it's yet another
sign
> that nobody went broke underestimating the American public.

Well, gee, that was supposed to be a documentary. Most of the Democratic
sources that I have some faith in have been backing far, far away in their
own commentary from Moore's Fahrenheit 9-11.

Doesn't mean you won't find it backed by Democratic soft money.

> > Frankly, it is just a dirty side issue in the election campaign.
>

> I haven't been paying all that much attention to the swiftboat vets, but
one
> of the local conservative radio hosts pointed out that just because there
> are differences in memories and reports doesn't mean that anyone is lying.

The variation in the reports is just a bit too great for me to believe that
someone isn't lying and I believe the information that contradicts the
"Swiftboat Vets" group. I mispelled it earlier, that was an accident not
an attempt to defame by calling it "Swiftboar".

>
> Most folks don't seem to know the difference between a fact and an
opinion.
> "The temperature of this room as measured by the thermometer hanging on
the
> west wall is 95 degrees F" is a fact. It's not saying that the temperature
> of the room is 95 degrees F, because it's possible that the instrument is
> wrong, or that the person making the statement is wrong. It could also be
> that the west wall is receiving a great deal of sun, and so the
temperature
> of the wall the thermometer happens to be attached to exceeds the average
> temperature of the air in the room. Still, it's not an unreasonable
> assumption to interpret the statement (which could even be false because
the
> person taking the reading is deliberately lying), in the absence of any
> reason to question it, as meaning that the average air temperature of the
> room is in fact 95 degrees F. "Sure is hot in here" is an *opinion*. You
> know how you can tell who the Canadians are on Clearwater Beach, Florida
in
> winter? The locals are bundled up and the Canadians are wearing thongs.

I thought about snipping that paragraph, but it reminded me of when some
people from the Washington DC area came out to TRW in El Segundo
on what was, to me, a cold February morning. I asked why they were
standing outside in front of the building and they said it was to enjoy
the warm weather.

>
> A great many of the ads by The Media Fund and Moveon.org are clearly
> deceptive. A good example is the Halliburton overbilling of gasoline in
> Iraq- the facts show that the gasoline was delivered by another party,
which
> may or may not be a subsidiary, and billed to Halliburton, which passed on
> the exact abount it had been billed. In short, Halliburton's contract was
a
> cost-plus contract, and they passed on the exact cost without any plus.
The
> details show that, in fact, another party is responsible for the
> overbilling. But that doesn't make for a good sound bite.
>

Well, the Army doesn't seem to want to pay all the Halliburton bills that
have been submitted because they don't believe they have been properly
verified.

As for the case you state, Halliburton had the responsibilty for procuring
the gasoline and the whole thing is tied up in a messy situation where
problems are bound to show up. The only reason Halliburton seems to
get mentioned at all is because of Cheney's previous service with the
company.

I haven't been following ads by "The Media Fund" and "Moveon" because
I don't like the biased Democratic ads any better than those from the
Republicans.

I won't try to pretend I am completely unbiased.

I believe President Bush made a major mistake by invading Iraq and that
we would better off now if we still had Saddam Hussein in power and on
a short leash rather than trying to reconstruct a broken Iraq.

Consequently I intend to vote for Kerry in November.

Whether I do or not, I don't expect Bush will take California.

Mike Walsh

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