Re: Apollo Mission designators

From: G.Beat (now9spamgb_at_no.comcast.spam.net.invalid)
Date: 09/17/04


Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:30:33 GMT


"Scott J" <scottjacobsNOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:sbF2d.172631$%n4.139144@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> I'm reading "Apollo: The Lost and Forgotten Missions" by Shayler. After
> the
> Apollo 1 fire the mission designators were changed. Apollo 2
> never flew. Apollo 4 was the first Saturn V test. Apollo 5 was the first
> test flight for the LM. Apollo 6 was the second Saturn V test. Of course
> Apollo 7 was the first manned test of the CSM.
>
> 2 Questions and a lot of speculating on my part....
>
> 1. What happened to Apollo 3? Shayler doesn't say much about this
> mission.
> 2. Is there any possibility the Original 7 astronauts kept Apollo 3 around
> so the first manned mission would be Apollo 7? Sort of a throw back to
> Mercury i.e. Freedom 7, Liberty Bell 7, Faith 7, etc. Schirra was due to
> retire after Apollo 7 and who knew at the time that Shepard, Slayton, or
> Glenn would fly again, and Cooper was pretty well done. Maybe the
> Original
> 7 wanted to fly their last flight with a seven in the name. Yes I know
> Grissom, Cooper, and Schirra got away from the "7" concept during Gemini.
>
> Scott

Scott -

There were a number of orbital and suborbital Saturn launches (I, IB and V)
designated by (SA-x) and (AS-xxx) between 1961 and 1968. The numbering
system, as you can see below, shuffled a few times - with "SA" designations
used through the 1965 Pegasus program (SA-10/Pegasus 3), AS-xxx was used for
the 1966 flights and the designation changed to Apollo # in 1967.

The Apollo 1 mission, originally designated Apollo 204 (1966 AS-xxx
numbering system), was officially assigned the name "Apollo 1" in honor of
Grissom, White, and Chaffee following the January 27, 1967 launchpad
accident(fire).
The first Saturn V launch (uncrewed) in November 9, 1967 was designated
Apollo 4 (no missions were ever officially designated Apollo 2 or 3).
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/apollo1info.html

Sub-orbital - unmanned
1961 - SA-1 - First launch of Saturn 1 (October 27)
1962 - SA-2 - Project HighWater (April 25)
          SA-3 - Project HighWater II (November 16)
1963 - SA-4 - Engine out capability test (March 1963)
1966 - AS-201 - First flight of Saturn 1B (February 26)
          AS-202 - Apollo development flight (August 25)

Orbital - unmanned
1965 - Pegasus program - 3 launches using Saturn 1 (SA-9, SA-8, SA-10)
1966 - AS-203 - Saturn 1B with first S-IVB stage orbital mission (July 5)
1967 - Apollo 4 - first all up launch of Saturn V (November 9)
1968 - Apollo 5 - first test of LM in space (January 22)
          Apollo 6 - final test launch of Saturn V (April 4)

G. Beat
 



Relevant Pages

  • Re: what was Apollo 1s mission to be?
    ... NASA was constantly changing the schedules, so this should be looked at ... A suborbital launch vehicle development test of the Saturn IB was ... An Apollo CSM was not flown on this flight. ...
    (sci.space.history)
  • Re: Buran evolution - wish I understood Russian!
    ... I think testing was lacking a bit during Apollo, due to the schedule pressure, especially when it came to the Saturn V. Saturn IB had quite a few flights under its belt before it carried people. ... On STS-1 we did the first all-up manned test of a launch vehicle, and particularly given all the fixes and tweaks we've made to the design since, that looks like a completely crazy idea in retrospect. ... If you had told the people that designed Apollo that's what you had in mind for the first Apollo test flight- you were going to launch the first Apollo CSM manned on the first Saturn V, loop the moon with it and bring it back home, they would have thought you were out of your mind. ... At the time it seemed rational to do STS-1 like that, but in retrospect the idea was crazy; the Shuttle should have been given a automatic landing system and flown unmanned like Buran on its first flight. ...
    (sci.space.history)
  • Re: Apollo Mission designators
    ... > first manned Apollos atop Saturn I vehicles that used the S-IV second ... before the first manned mission, ... get off a manned Apollo flight before the end of the year." ... launch vehicles to be used in initial manned Apollo missions. ...
    (sci.space.history)
  • Re: Apollo astronaut who was going to wear large baseball cap over space suit
    ... > abandon all hope of resuming Saturn V production in the near future... ... I think there was no realistic hope of a restart, hence I date the cap to ... > wouldn't be soon enough for Apollo 20. ...
    (sci.space.history)
  • Re: doing it again (was Re: STS51L Accident Questions)
    ... reverse the Saturn V retirement, continue low-rate production of the Apollo ... Perhaps the second Skylab ... If the "wet" lab concept proved ...
    (sci.space.history)