Re: Way OT: Asia Earthquake

From: Andre Lieven (dg411_at_FreeNet.Carleton.CA)
Date: 12/31/04 

Date: 31 Dec 2004 16:31:20 GMT

"Rhonda Lea Kirk" (rhondaleakirk@yahoo.com) writes:
> Andre Lieven wrote:
>> "Rhonda Lea Kirk" (rhondaleakirk@yahoo.com) writes:
>>> Andre Lieven wrote:
>>>
>>>> You just told me what to do. Yet, you resent the
>>>> reverse...
>>>>
>>>> <cough> Hypocrite <cough>.
>>>
>>> When you spit on the sidewalk, Andre, you have hit
>>> the
>>> end of someone's nose.
>>
>> ROTFLMAO ! Only if they are so drunk as to have
>> placed their nose that LOW....

No answer to this rebuttal of twittery, on your part ?

Excellent !

>>> Instead of just reacting to all manner of things I
>>> didn't say, why don't you think a little about what
>>> I said.
>>
>> I did. If you cannot read for comprehension, thats
>> not my problem.
>>
>> The telling point is that *you* snipped away what you
>> said. Thanks for showing that you were ashamed of it.
>
> I snipped it because you and I are the only people
> having this particular conversation and we both know
> what we said.

That, I am sure of, only for myself...
 
> Here it is below, all over again, taking up unnecessary
> space.
>
> If I'm ashamed of something, I say so. I'm not a kitten
> vainly scratching in the middle of the living room rug.

Yet, *you* claimed that a spit on the ground was a blow to
a nose...

<laughs>
 
> <restore snipped text>
> Andre Lieven wrote:
>> Rhonda Lea Kirk writes:
>>> Christopher M. Jones wrote:
>>>> Pat Flannery wrote:
>
>>>>> Thank God we have our priorities right.
>
>>>> Thankfully, they are exactly right.
>
>>> In point of fact, 35 million is just the starting
>>> point. It is estimated that the US will ultimately
>>> contribute one billion to the relief effort.
>
>> OK. Out of how many billions needed ?
>
> We don't yet know. And the billion is an estimate. The
> most recent piece I've read says "more than a billion."
>
>>> That being said, I have no objection to US citizens
>>> complaining about how US dollars are spent. I have a
>>> huge problem, however, when the complaints are
>>> coming from citizens of other
>>> countries--particularly those
>>> dependent on US aid--when it is not their tax
>>> dollars, but mine, at stake.
>
>> Yeah ! How dare people who the US claims to be
>> modeling democracy for, believe that crap about
>> Free
>> Speech...
>>
>> Thats clearly not for the darkies...
>
> The "darkies" were kidnap victims, and for that reason
> alone,
> they have more than earned the right to speak.
>
> But unlike the stay-at-home wife who is entitled to a
> full say about and full share in her husband's earnings
> (by virtue of having earned that entitlement by doing
> her job), non-US citizens have done nothing to earn
> the right to say what the US should or should not do.
>
> My solution to people I don't like, whose values are
> abhorrent to me, is to avoid them, to take nothing from
> them, to cut them out of my life. And I do not waste my
> time (or at least not much) bitching about them
> thereafter. Perhaps the rest of the world should take a
> lesson from me.
>
> Or perhaps the whole idea of man-made borders in an
> ever-shrinking world is one that needs to be given the
> short-shrift it deserves, in which case the issue
> wouldn't even arise. But that would require everyone
> (and I mean everyone) to adhere to the idea that no
> one gets to tell anyone else what to do or how to live,
> short of "right to swing stops at end of nose."
>
> Until that happens, though, I don't want to hear the
> bitching from people who think my country should do
> "more" or "different."
>
>> <spits>
>
> Yeah, well, that's unsanitary. Clean it up.
>
> rl
> </restore>

But, not my *reply*... How... " equal "...
 
>>> Or not.
>>
>> <Flounce>
>
> This isn't an argument I really want to have. There's a
> lot I'm not happy with about the way my country is run.
> If you think I'm going to defend our actions, think
> twice.

Then, be so equal as to acknowledge that, when the US and
USians can say all sorts of things ( " Free Speech " )
about the persons and practices of other nations that
that works BOTH WAYS...
 
> On the other hand, the "rest of the world vs. the US"
> situation reminds me a lot of the heroin-addicted son
> and his ever-doting, co-dependent parents.

Indeed: When is the *US* going to *cease* it's unilateral
heroin-like *dependance* on imported cheap gasoline ?

We Canadaians produce ours: Europeans are willing to pay
for theirs, and adjust their lives.

ONLY USians seem to feel an *entitlement* to fuel from
*elsewhere* that *must* be SO cheap, as to allow any and
all USians to drive veritable tanks ( Saw a huge stretch
Hummer last night; embarrassing, indeed. Just not to me )
to the Mall ?

Your analogy is apt: It's merely aimed 180 degrees
*incorrectly*...

> They are
> expected to attend to his needs--without regard for
> their own or those of his siblings--but God forbid they
> should try to send him to rehab or ask him to stand on
> his own two feet. And you can be sure that no matter
> how much they give, no matter what they sacrifice,
> it'll never be enough. What it comes down to is that
> I'm tired of hearing the little *** whine.

Indeed: I dare say that a good part of The Rest Of The
World is a bit weary of USian demands for " More, More ! "
 
> As for those affected by the tsunami, I can only hope
> that the United States will do everything in its power
> to assist the relief effort in all possible ways.

While, again, not sparing the pats on their own backs,
as to how " giving " the US is.

Try this exercise: When the US does something that you
think is internationally laudable, *wait* to see if
that is , in fact, the view from Elsewhere, first...

Heck, when the three songs in support of Ethopia came out,
that was as clear then: The Brit and Canadian songs were
about the crisis, and the US one, was about " Lets fix
this ! We're the US ! We so rock ! "

A bit of occasional US humility would be... a refreshing
change.

But, like your maximum leader, you cannot concieve that
you could ever commit an error.
 
> All I lived through was a few hurricanes, and it wasn't
> good. I cannot even bring myself to imagine the horror
> on the other side of the world right now.

Indeed. I see in the news that, among other things, Canada
is expediting the reunion of relatives with status in Canada
with relatives in the affected areas, bringing such
foreign relatives to Canada, if that is their wish.
Good on that, as those are good things to do.

Theres debt relief, too. Not too bad for such a small
nation, one not as vocal about " we rock ! ".

Nor did our gov't start by announcing, as a great boon,
a donation, initially, of 1.5 million ( That would be
a proportional measure of the US's first announcement of
15 million: Canada has about a tenth the people of the US,
thus a tenth the loot. ), expecting a " wow, how generous ! "
response.

RL, if many in the Rest Of The World have... issues with
certain US gov't actions and statements, you might consider
that we may not be 100% wrong.

For those who might, fallaciously, to label me a US basher,
note that I said " CERTAIN US GOV'T actions... ".

Andre 

--
" I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
                                    The Man Prayer, Red Green.
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