Re: Way OT: Asia Earthquake

From: Christopher M. Jones (christopher.m.jones_at_gmail.com)
Date: 01/01/05 

Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 16:02:58 -0600

Andre Lieven wrote:
> "Christopher M. Jones" (christopher.m.jones@gmail.com) writes:
>
>>Andre Lieven wrote:
>>
>>>Indeed: When is the *US* going to *cease* it's unilateral
>>>heroin-like *dependance* on imported cheap gasoline ?
>>
>>Little gasoline is imported to the US, crude oil is
>>imported and then refined locally, usually.
>
> Oh, please: That being such a nit of no change of menaing,
> that it only further makes my point.

Accuracy is kind of important. You could have said the
US imports whale oil for its automobiles and still have
had the same general meaning yet you would still be
wrong in the details.

>>>We Canadaians produce ours: Europeans are willing to pay
>>>for theirs, and adjust their lives.

Oh, and by the way, before I forget, Canada imports
almost exactly as much oil per capita as the US does
(~12.9 barrels per person per year for Canada, ~13.5
for the US). See above regarding issues of accuracy.

>>Europeans pay no more for their imported oil than anyone
>>else, including the US. European gasoline is so expensive
>>at the pump because of massive taxation.
>
> Indeed. That allows infrastructure upkeep.

Having been on several extended road trips longer than
100 miles in the last year I can't say I noticed the roads
in any particularly undrivable condition. Indeed, for the
most part they were more than satisfactory. I'm curious
though, have you ever done the research to find out where
all the money from European (or Canadian) gas taxes goes?
Considering that not all the gas tax in the US goes to
infrastructure upkeep I highly doubt that all of it in
Europe does.

>>Oddly, Europe imports just as much oil per capita as the
>>US (around 13.5 barrels per person per year).
>
> Sure. Now try this one: Which nation/continent is using
> millions of fuel guzzling personal SUVs ?

Umm, let's see, many nations and every continent except
Antarctica (and perhaps Australia). Sales of 4x4 SUVs
in France were up 11% in 2004, and nearly a million SUVs
are sold in Europe every year, they seem very popular
everywhere.

>>I'm not sure whether you're being serious here or not,
>>but at the very least you are wrong in the points you
>>make.
>
> Nope. The point stands: Canada has enough fuel for itself,
> and Europe uses it's fuel far more efficiently than does
> the US.

Oh, I see we've gone into Andre-fantasy-land now. Fair
enough, enjoy your stay.

> Only the US needs to import so much for it's TOYS.

Except that Europe and Canada need to import almost exactly
the same amount, and they have the same toys too! Ohhh,
evil US, being the same as the rest of the developed world
only makes you more uniquely evil!

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