Re: Space Policy Sucks, while there's Life on Venus

From: Brad Guth (bradguth_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 01/30/05 

Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:21:00 +0000 (UTC)

The alternate topic: "SETI/GUTH Venus, no kidding" seems to have become
yet another intellectual nullification zone, which is interesting in
that you'd think the likes of SETI/OSETI folks must be smart enough as
to realize that our moon simply isn't an optional moon, it's here
because Earth needs just such a moon. Any viable planet worth it's salt
needs a planet friendly moon, or perhaps vise versa in the case of
Titan. Water in the raw or even in the form of ice simply doesn't travel
so well in space, as the absolute vacuum of space is also the absolute
boiling point of said water, and that's regardless if it's frozen or
not. Even the prospects of getting water-ice to/from our moon, since
there's no such 99.99% reflective ice or other surviving snowballs in
space, thus the law of 'energy-in = energy-out' pretty much insures the
solid phase of water should become gas/vapor phase with nothing much
coexisting as liquid in between. Because water isn't a natural solid,
even sarshine energy should offer a sufficient influx as to convert
whatever was ice into the vapors of raw elements (at least I can't seem
to identify upon the science that proves otherwise).

If those SETI/OSETI qualified ETs are supposedly carbon or even silica
based (exoskeletal diatom like), clearly we need a better comprehension
of the fundamental elements, such as water that's either sub-frozen into
remaining as a solid (which usually represents having to be surrounded
by the likes of a significant atmosphere, which in of itself usually
requires a good amount of associated gravity) and/or being physically
contained and transported through space by a fairly robust mineral orb
(such as encased by our moon), or perhaps cloaked by the likes of
dry-ice (though even dry-ice has not been scientifically documented as
lasting for long in free space), otherwise plain old ice (usually a
composite of dirty ice) in outer space should become entirely vaporised
into free atoms, especially once arriving into the inner realm of our
four planets.

In case some of you nice folks haven't noticed, there's quite a good
amount of water on Earth. Go figure.

Venus is livable, perhaps not persay for naked humans (especially
arrogant and bigoted humans) but otherwise there are somewhat enormous
and entirely renewable forms of energy to being had, thus almost any
level of being hot and nasty can be surmounted. If you were such an ET
out and about the galaxy looking for the most energy friendly planet as
for accommodating your next pitstop, of selecting between the likes of a
biologically and intellectually cesspool infested Earth, or the likes of
Mars being easily pulverised and TBI to death and without hardly a joule
worth of spare energy in sight, or perhaps you'd consider Venus, as
there's absolutely no contest up against Venus offering by far the most
energy, as well as representing the most easily accessible forms of
energy.

BTW; there's never been any shortage of H2O on Venus, it's just been
nicely transferred and subsequently stored within them thick and
relatively cool clouds, whereas there's at least 33% of that cloud mass
as pure water (less conservative estimates place this at 66% h2o) that's
easily obtained and efficiently vacuum distilled on demand, that is
unless you're another mainstream certified village idiot moron that's
stuck within the box of having to use those social/political conditional
laws of physics that only equates into supporting whatever our
NASA/Apollo status quo has to say, in which case you're not all that
likely to survive for much longer here on Earth. However, if you had to
make-do upon Venus; how many megatonnes of water would you like?

Regardless of how smart you might care to think ETs should be, they are
not likely God(s), nor are they wizards of some black magic 'Skull and
Bones' cult that pay no mind to the laws of physics. I'd even bet
they're not nearly as smart and all-knowing as our resident warlord,
thereby ETs probably make a few honest mistakes from time to time. In
spite of what we know and of how much it'll cost us, traveling through
space and of the vast distances involved is damn risky business, and
it'll most certainly require energy. Not even fusion energy goes without
being replenished from time to time. I believe energy-in still equals
energy-out, thus raw elements and/or a serious influx of recharge energy
is necessary if you're actually going to travel about the universe in
sufficient style, and live to tell about it. Perhaps 1% 'c' is doable,
whereas 10% 'c' is going to be asking for trouble in River City, and
that's even if you're on the good side of God.

If on the other hand you insist it's safe and sane as to continue
believing that our warm and fuzzy government(s) would never have made a
mistake and thereby never have to lie their butts off, never having
permitted our ABLs to be practice tracking and beam targeting upon any
returning shuttle, would never provoke a 9/11 or so much as invent WMD,
would never attempt to take out a fully loaded 747 in order to eliminate
an extremely embarrassing situation (much less have screwed everything
up again by taking out the wrong 747), and would never have perpetrated
a cold-war; Think again.

Deductive reasoning is permitted, although sharing much less posting
whatever is deduced isn't so easily tolerated, at least not within
'forums that suck' because, these forums are basically your standard
NSA/MI6 method or ruse of knowing-thy-enemy and snookering-thy-humanity,
the ultimate cesspools of intellectual incest that's essentially
disinformation-R-us, and otherwise usually moderated to death by the
mainstream status quo cops that'll show little if any morals, much less
remorse for their past, current and of our future that's being
thoughtfully orchestrated on our behalf. It's a deadly game by which the
lower 99.9% of humanity (scum of the Earth) gets to pay for absolutely
everything as they're being lead into those gas chambers which we've had
to pay for and personally constructed and even operated against our own
kind, all on behalf of the upper 0.1% (lords and warlords) of humanity.

Anything SETI/OSETI worthy is an automatic confirmation that other life
(ETs) must coexist on other planets, as otherwise what's the point?
Thereby, since all of you must believe this is the case, then Venus is
by far as good as planets tend to get. At least there's no artificially
induced global warming ongoing (Venus is actually cooling itself off),
no chance in hell of rising oceans flooding you out of your home, and
certainly there are no significant storms to worry about. Energy is the
key to life, and that's even if there's standing water on the deck, as
without a good amount of accessable energy, life as we know it would
never get itself much past the primordial soup of the day.

If it's not persay by way of natural evolution (even though that's
entirely possible), an influx of applied technology goes a long ways on
a planet like Venus, especially since you don't have to import one joule
of energy. In fact, you can extract all the mega/giga/tera joules you
want from the Venus environment and lo and behold, there's essentially
no end in sight as to the nearly unlimited resource(s) of said energy.
What more could you possibly what?

However; it seems that our mutual cloak an dagger NSA/MI6 spooks are
getting a touch ripped at my posting what I honestly believe is
significantly important about our implementing interplanetary
communications, especially if that topic involves our moon and/or over
whatever's existing on Venus. I can easily tell by the number of times
my PC either goes entirely down or I have to reboot in order to regain
control, whereas this only happens whenever I'm online posting into
various 'forums that suck', especially upon those related topics at hand
that cast any doubt upon NASA/Apollo and of just about all that has been
perpetrated ever since.

Regards, Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm 

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