Re: Life on Venus is absolute hell, but doable

From: Brad Guth (bradguth_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 02/01/05 

Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:52:24 +0000 (UTC)

Thanks for your honest interest, even if it's a wee bit on the side of
being critical. I hope this revised reply is somewhat more readable, as
I do seem to have an ongoing dyslexic complication, not to mention
having to deal with all of the favor returning on behalf of what the
mainstream has been attempting to accomplish in spite of all the facts
that I seem to be having more than my fair share of difficulty getting
across.

josephus; "Do yu thnk life could survive in a a kiln?"

The latest generation of AI/robotic machines have become most certainly
capable of surviving Venus, at least at full capacity while operating
within 811°K has become an established fact, just as humans surviving
quite nicely at 68 bar and upon 1% O2 and 99% H2 is fully established as
being survivable, and I'm not even all that certain as to the
temperature at which blood boils while at 90 bar.

Minature vacuum tube and essentially hard-wired circuitry is certainly
good for 811°K, if not hotter. Electro-mechanicals of solenoids, motors
and generators are somewhat off the shalf these days. I believe the
elevated nighttime environment of Venus could be as slight as 600°K, and
of extreme sothern/northern terratories even cooler, especially the
Istar Terra that's offering a major zone elevated some 10+km.

Technically even life as we know it, as dumb and dumber and thereby as
easily dumbfounded and snookered as we've become, even this daunting
challenge can be accommodated by way of applied technology. However, why
bother or much less risk physically setting an extremely spendy hot-foot
upon Venus if suitable interactive surface probes can relay whatever
without any chance of our DNA getting roasted?

Thus the answer has been a resounding YES as to machines as well as man
surviving within a kiln. At least within an R-1024/m insulated
reverse-kiln that's efficiently keeping the mostly conductive form of
heat out, and of a reverse-kiln that's got access to unlimited energy
and that fairly nifty ocean of mostly CO2 that's offering a perfectly
good alternative for freon, except that you can efficiently utilize a
single-pass process of compressing, heat-exchanging and evaporating
since there's no good reason as to recirculate the spent CO2 that's
utilized for air-conditioning. Certainly the process of CO2-->CO/O2
isn't going to represent any problem that I can think of. But, what's
important is what do you think?

Those upcoming ESA/Russian missions to Venus need only to employ a new
and improved radar imaging capability of obtaining 10 m/pixel from
orbit, of which this much should have been easily doable. It would be
somewhat nicer if the mission orbit was established a bit less
elliptical so that the northern and southern territories are obtained at
the 10 m/pixel, and it obviously would be even nicer yet if those pixels
were of 16 bit instead of the Magellan 8 bit format. Their
lander/probe(s) needs only as little as 1% of the internal energy
demands of their previous probes, and there's certainly no technical
reason as to why existing circuitry (miniature vacuum tube if need be)
and energy source can't be configured as to sustain itself at 811°K. A
relatively small balloon/craft by volume should carry their descending
phase along for days before selectively deciding where to shoot for an
actual landing. There's way more than sufficient nighttime illumination
of the 400~450 nm spectrum that'll light up the nighttime season of
Venus from starshine and earthshine, being just fine and dandy as for
the sorts of nocturnal eyes and nightvision cameras, and/or of efficient
radar imaging that doesn't need a pico lumen to see by. Aerodynamics has
always been there for the taking, with 65+kg/m3 to boot, whereas an
h2o2/c12h26 powered robotic airship like craft (possibly an IRRCE
turboprop driven rigid airship) would offer an extremely energy
efficient and thereby enable a controlled and entirely selective landing
at the GUTH Venus interplanetary tarmac (how good is that?).

I would have liked to have seen a TRACE-II established at Venus L2. That
way all sorts of perfectly good information can be efficiently obtained
and relayed to/from whatever interactive surface instruments, possibly
via laser transceiving (thus a quantum packet stream of 1e12 bps becomes
doable) and then by way of our having to use the traditional inefficient
microwave methods of sharing such data to/from Earth. Of course the
TRACE-II team would be multi-tasking on behalf of continuing their
mission of researching of our sun, except for having a better
perspective than ever possible by the original TRACE instrument that's
somewhat out-dated and about to go off-line due to old age.

Regards, Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

"josephus" <dogbird@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:A0PLd.3426$Nn1.2723@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net

>
>
> Brad Guth wrote:
>
> > Good Christ almighty folks; if this sort of topic about the hot and
> > nasty prospects of other life surviving upon Venus, if this isn't even
> > sufficiently 'sci.skeptic' qualified, then what the heck is?
> >
> > Regards, Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
> >
> >
> I doubt it though. None of our probes has lasted long enough to look
> around. Life may be more resilliant than a machine, but if the machine
> cant survive, there is little hope for life in that condition. sort of
> looking for life in the enviromental equivalent of a furnace. Do yu
> thnk life could survive in a a kiln? there are limits to everything
>
> Terraforming would be necessary, but noone know how it could be done and
> the current ideas would take 100000 years. 

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