Re: CEV to be made commercially available


Peter Stickney (p-stickney@xxxxxxxxxxxx) writes:
> Andre Lieven wrote:
>
>> "Neil Gerace" (geracen@xxxxxxxxxxxx) writes:
>>> "Andre Lieven" <dg411@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:djeoq4$lqh$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>> Had the air age gone the way taht the early Space Age has gone,
>>>> air travel today would consist of 20 seat aircraft, with tickets
>>>> costing in the 6-7 digits per flight. This economic model is not
>>>> supportable in any area of transportation.
>>>
>>> There were two big factors in commercial aviation's favour compared
>>> to spaceflight's:
>>>
>>> WW I and WW II.
>>
>> Notice that the development of the commercially successful airliner
>> took place between 1919 and 1937. The DC-3 was not developed the
>> way that the 707 was, as a military aircraft, in that case a tanker,
>> but was a result of actual commercial development, and was the
>> then culmination of a long lineage of non military development.
>
> You've got that a bit off, Andre - (Shall we say Facts Not in
> Evidence?)

Not really. The dates speak for themselves.

> The DC-3 was a stretched version of the DC-2. The DC-2 was the
> production variant of Douglas' original DC-1 prototype. The DC-1 was
> produced for TWA as a competitor to the Boeing Model 247s being flown
> by United (United was owned by Boeing, at the time), and incorporated
> the same technology. The Boeing 247 was essentially an airliner
> flavor of Boeing's Y1B-9 bomber prototype.

Indeed. Lets re-cap: The military based plane LOST. The wholly civilian
plane, was developed through three marks, the third of which was a great
success. That fits with my earlier statements.

As for the " same technology ", well... proof ?

> So, in fact, we've got 2 airplanes at 2 different manufacturers who
> produced designs based on work done to meet a military contract.
> There was also a hefty dollop of contribution by the N.A.C.A. in the
> design of all the aircraft mentioned above.

Indeed, and as several here have said, they wish that NASA did more
work along the lines of NACA. But, NACA was never a military outfit...

> The 707 is not a descendant of the KC-135 (Boeing 717, the real one,
> not the re-badged DC-9), but rather a parallel evolution. Both are
> direct descendants of the Boeing 367-80, which, while more or less
> funded by Boeing to Boeing's requirements, grew out of design studies
> on improving the military KC-97 (Model 367)
> Stratotanker/Stratocruiser. The KC-97/Boeing 367/377 (The Civilian
> Stratocruiser, was a transport development of thr Boeing B-50, which
> was, of course, a direct descendant of the B-29. (The original
> designation for the B-50 was B-29D.) Hence the Company designation of
> 367-80. What distinguished the Dash-Eighty from the other Strats was
> the application of Boeing's vast experience in large transonic
> aircraft (Exceeding that of the rest of the world combined) gained by
> designing, building, and supporting vast fleets of military B-47s and
> B-52s.

Thats all well and good, but I never made any claims about the post
war commercial jets, so if this is an answer to anything you believe that
I had said, please clarify just how.

My only point was, that if post war commercial jets had followed the
last 30 years of space, that we'd now still have no mass air travel.
In about the way that we have no mass space travel.

Andre

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The Man Prayer, Red Green.
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