Re: What if Apollo fire in orbit?




"Heinrich Zinndorf-Linker (zili@home)" <spam-trash@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:e8uh37$4a2$01$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The same question is discussed at this moment in the German parallel
newsgoup news:de.sci.raumfahrt and MY personal conclusion is, that an
open flame (like e.g. that of a candle) CAN burn sustained in the real
environment of a spacecraft, simply because the Astronauts have to be
able to breathe too, what is ensured by sustained ventilation of the
whole spacecraft. So a stationary mounted candle will burn even in
weightlessness, like any other combustible object will do, if held in
a fixed position.

Unfortunately you're apparently overlooking a little detail. The diaphragm.

The astronaut can push air away and suck it in. The candle can't.

Now, obviously they do use fans on spacecraft and this might provide enough
"wind" for a candle.

Studies done on the shuttle in burn boxes tend to show that candles "pulse"
as they heat up air around the wick, it moves out in all directions,
suffocates the flame, goes down, new O2 comes in, etc. But not a continuous
burn like on Earth.


Note, I believe one lesson learned from Mir was in the event of a fire on
orbit the procedure is to shut down all fans.



Other circumstances were, if a candle or other burning object would
float free in midair, and had enough time and air resistance to 'sail'
within the air stream. Then the candle would burn with a spherical
flame, and caused by missing sustained oxygen support within this
special environment would extinguish itself soon with its own exhaust
gases. And caused by that self-extinguishing effect even the
propagation of "stationary" fires should be somewhat restrained.

So the risk assessment concerning fire in a spacecraft should show a
somewhat diminished risk if the spacecraft is on-orbit, but some fire
risk remains everytime, everywhere, nevertheless...

Definitely.



cu, ZiLi aka HKZL

--
Gib mir die Zahlen die Du hast,
und gib mir die Zahlen die Du brauchst -
Und ich suche dann die richtigen Tests raus,
um aus den einen die anderen Zahlen zu machen.


.



Relevant Pages

  • Re: What if Apollo fire in orbit?
    ... the base of the flame, thus giving the fuel an oxidizer. ... open flame (like e.g. that of a candle) CAN burn sustained in the real ... environment of a spacecraft, simply because the Astronauts have to be ... Gib mir die Zahlen die Du hast, ...
    (sci.space.history)
  • Re: taper works
    ... To be on fire or set something on fire. ... Acid can burn holes in materialintr ... burn the candle at both ends ... Phrasal Verb: burn something down ...
    (rec.running)
  • Re: "burned out from studying..."
    ... Chuck Riggs wrote: ... because "burn out" is more like something psychological and is ... usually caused by being exposed to long hours of pressure and ... oil that he mentioned, but the candle that will not last the night, ...
    (alt.usage.english)
  • Re: Yankee candle problem
    ... >> around and the candle is burning, and kind of making a hole in the ... instead of melting across the whole surface of the candle. ... The metal distributes the heat to the sides and makes them burn down ... I keep all my closets smelling clean and fresh. ...
    (alt.fashion)
  • Re: Havdalah candle problem...
    ... :> Also please get yourselves CO2 detectors, not that a havdalah candle ... spill grape juice into the cup of wax around the wick. ... but too far from the wick to be actual candle. ... :> burn very high. ...
    (soc.culture.jewish.moderated)