Re: 4 October 1957

On Oct 10, 9:01 am, Craig Fink <WeBeG...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Len wrote:
On Oct 9, 8:42 pm, Len <l...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Oct 9, 6:56 pm, Craig Fink <WeBeG...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Len wrote:
On Oct 6, 8:26 pm, Pat Flannery <flan...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Monte Davis wrote:
And while he takes routine libertarian aim at NASA, I don't get
the feeling his heart is really in it like those of the New Space
True Believers, for whom every aspect of what NASA has/hasn't
done, is/isn't doing, and should/shouldn't do *must* prove that
government screws up everything it touches.

A old joke:
One Irishman - a drunk.
Two Irishmen - a fight.
Three Irishmen - a political movement.
Four Irishmen - a parade.

One Libertarian - a zealot.
Two Libertarians - a argument.
Three Libertarians - two geniuses and a misguided fool.
Four Libertarians - a major party meeting. :-)

Pat

Good one.

Of course, that is why many of us are "small l"
libertarians--in the hope that we can influence
politicians that have a chance of being elected.

Are you going to watch the "small l" libertarian, "big R" Republican
Ron Paul whip up on all the "small a" authoritarians, "big R"
Republicans in the debate tonight? Should be good.

authoritarian, isn't that the opposite of libertarian?

You left me kind of wondering, exactly how does a "small l" libertarian
influence a "small a" authoritarian by continually voting for them in
elections? The lesser of two evils, is still evil.

It is the injection of good ideas. Even I
shall admit that there are some Republicans
and some Democrats that have good ideas,
are open to new ideas, and generally have
the best interests of the nation at heart.

Our big mistake is thinking only in terms of
right and left. IMO, the spectrum is more of
a circle--with the vertical axis tuned to
individual liberty. In this plot, libertarians are
at the top of the circle--and La Rouchees
are at the bottom. Republicans with a social
conscience are at the top left of the circle.
Democrats with fiscal responsibllity are at the
top right.

You've just describe the World's Smallest Political Quiz,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World's_Smallest_Political_Quiz

Yes, I was aware of two-dimensional depictions,
and should have mentioned them. It's just that
I had come to my own independent depiction,
prior to learning of existing similar ones.

Len


It's in terms of social and economic freedom, you seem to be calling the
economic freedom the fiscal responsibility axis. I'm not sure those two
terms are interchangeable. Having economic freedom does not necessarily
mean fiscally responsible, but that one is fiscally free to do what one
wants, good or bad. Same with social freedom, doesn't mean that one is
socially responsible. To me, Responsibility is a personal and moral thing,
something to be taught or learned not force on someone.

The Libertarian Party Web Site...http://www.lp.org/issues/libertarian.shtml
...actually has link to the quiz on it.

There are a lot of versions of the quiz too, some not so small and different
questions. I wish I had saved the link to one of the better ones...but I
didn't, it actually placed you and a bunch of historical figures on the
chart.



I should have said Republicans are at the top
right of the circle; Democrats at the top left.
I guess I tuned left and right out too much.

That would certainly be nice, if it were true. Why do you think Republicans
and Democrats as a whole are above the left-right axis? Voters probably,
but the leaders they continually elect to public office don't seem to be
above the left-right axis. They seem to be happy picking politicians who
are below the left-right line, the lesser of two evils, as people often
comment. Do that for a long enough time, we will eventually be in a corner,
the bottom one.

On the quiz, it's not a circle in terms of social and economic freedom.
Notice that if the politicians move along the libertarian-authoritarian
axis (up-down), left-and-right becomes meaningless near the extremes of up
and down. It's kind of funny to watch main stream media when this occurs,
they seem to be restricted to talking about left and right, but there is no
left and right, people cannot tell the candidates apart. So the media talks
about that.

A good example might be, which political party is for Big spending and Big
government? Democrat or Republican? There is a lot of talk, but looking at
their action, what they actually pass?

What a good debate, Ron Paul, wins another one. :-)http://youtube.com/watch?v=P2vl_4kgHls
Anti-constitutional candidate Mitt Romney is going to ask a lawyer if it's
ok to go to war with Iran, lol. Ron Paul chewed Romney up and spits him
out. Go read the Constitution Romney.http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20071010/cm_thenation/1241385

Ron Paul is certainly the most electable Republican in the field of
candidates. All the other Republicans don't have any chance in the general
election against *any* of the Democrats, even Hillary.

--
Craig Fink
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