Re: Soyuz TMA-11 Comes Home, More or Less...

On Apr 20, 7:07 am, Pat Flannery <flan...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dr.Colon.Osc...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

Tonight NBC news had some locals who had seen it come down and one
said "the parachute was on fire".  Discounting any possible confusion
with "thump down"this is a whole other story.   Could ballastic
reentry have done this (if true)?  Sort of reminds me of Komarov's
reentry...................Doc

Soyuz 5 suffered parachute heat damage when it started reentering
pointy-end first after the service module failed to separate.
In Komarov's case the parachutes barely got out of the storage
containers due to a foul-up during construction.
If the chute was damaged or was smoldering during landing, that would
suggest either a problem with the pyrotechnic deployment system or
something very abnormal during reentry that exposed the forward body of
the spacecraft to reentry heating. damaging the hatches over the main
and reserve chutes, such as tumbling or wobbling of some sort.
During a ballistic reentry the capsule is put into a slow roll for
stability and even heating of the heat shield and exterior.
If it wasn't put into that roll, it might start wobbling on the way down.
Interesting facet of the story is that for some reason the landing was
about 20 minutes later than expected:http://www.wtte28.com/template/inews_wire/wires.international/20d664c...
That suggests a late or not completely successful retro burn, as the
ballistic reentry would get you down faster than the normal one. What's
really odd is a retro burn 20 minutes late would put you _way_ off
course, in fact it might put you down somewhere in the Pacific Ocean.
If there is a problem with the retro engine (they have deleted the twin
nozzle back-up engine on the TM and TMA IIRC) SOP says to do a series of
orbits till in the intended reentry area again, not to fire the retro
late, as landing in rough territory can be fatal.... you might end up
rolling down a mountain like Soyuz 18-1, or hanging in a tree with
hungry wolves around the spacecraft, like Voskhod 2 (one notes that
those wolves get a little larger, closer, and more hungry every time
Leonov tells that story. Soon, I expect them to be described as
werewolves.) ;-)
Another possibility would be a complete failure of the retro engine and
a reentry burn done via the RCS engines for braking.
That would be hard to do in a way that would put you down in a predicted
spot.
I think a lot of interesting things about this mission's end will come
out in the next few days.

Pat

Just wondered,if this was the most ofcourse "landing" since Scott
Carpenter,got rather busy in 1962 ?
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