Re: An Agena FOBS?

On Dec 7, 11:07 am, Me <charliexmur...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Dec 7, 6:39 am, William Mook <mokmedi...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

1.  > Who said command and control?  Are you saying Corona never had
any> offices of any sort in Colorado?  Of course they did, especially early
on.

2.  c> Are you saying NORAD couldn't call up Vandenberg or Canaveral?
 Of> course they could.

3.  > What about destruct commands on launch vehicles?  That is
coordinated> EVERY launch.

4.  > Are you saying NORAD couldn't talk to commanders of Corona?  Of
course

they could.  They had officers at the launch center ready to destroy
the launcher on command.  They certainly had control of every other
aspect as well.

5.  > Look at the destruct requirements and the USAF personnel
required on

site by any certified space launch provider.  NORAD controls EVERY
launch of EVERY vehicle out of US territory.

6.  > Where was the Thor  from?  When we went to Thor Agena, where was
the

office that studied it?  Same place dude.  

7.  After the control center> was built in California, for Vandenberg, was NORAD capable of calling
up NASA or USAF assets?  Of course it was.

8.  > What about the Thor launchers at Canaveral made it impossible to

accept an Agena upper stage?

9.> The entire Agena program was developed in 18 months.  Canaveral
could

have added Agenas to the upper stage of a Thor at Canaveral in 30 days
if it were told to do so.

Mook, you are clueless and don't know what you are talking about.

1.  Corona never had any offices in Colorado.  It was run from
Sunnyvale, LA, Vandenbery and DC.

2.  NORAD had no involvement with Corona

Yes it did. NORAD was the point of control of all space operations
for the US military.

3.  Not with NORAD

4.  NORAD had no involvement with Corona, nor knew of Corona.  It knew
about Discoverer.   NORAD had no involvement with US launches.  It
only tracked spacecraft (but did not control them)

It could also destroy them if they saw fit to do so.

5.  NORAD does not control launches.  

It is advised of launches and monitors them very closely, and if for
any reason they wish to do so, NORAD may destroy them.

Space Command does now,

Correct.

but it
did not exist back them.

On Oct 23, 1985 USSPACECOM was activated. USSPACECOM is a unified
command under the Department of Defense with headquarters at Peterson
AFB, Colorado, commanded by an AF general.

With the Soviet Union’s unexpected 1957 launch of the world’s first
man-made satellite, Sputnik I, President Eisenhower accelerated the
nation’s slowly emerging civil and military space efforts. The vital
advantage that space could give either country during those dark days
of the Cold War was evident in his somber words: "Space objectives
relating to defense are those to which the highest priority attaches
because they bear on our immediate safety."

 Range Safety (destruct requirements) was
provided by the USAF test ranges which were not associated NORAD

The 45th Space Wing (45 SW) is a wing of the United States Air Force
based at Patrick Air Force Base, Florida, whose mission is to assure
access to the high frontier and to support global operations.

The 45th was established as an anti-submarine warfare unit in 1941,
providing support during operations in the Atlantic during part of
World War II. The Wing current operates a number of rockets and
missiles, including the Delta IV and Atlas V, and provides support for
the Department of Defense, NASA, and commercial manned and unmanned
space programs. The Wing formerly operated the recently-discontinued
Titan IV rocket.


The 45th trained in anti-submarine warfare in 1941 and flew patrol and
search missions off the Atlantic and Gulf coasts as part of First Air
Force and later the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF)
Antisubmarine Command until inactivation in late 1942.

Later, the Joint Long Range Proving Ground was organized to maintain
and operate the proving ground facilities in coordination and
collaboration with other agencies of the national guided missile
program. It provided static and flight testing to meet requirements of
Army, Navy, and Air Force research and development programs, including
operational experimentation and training. From May 1950 to May 1951 it
had separate operating agency status, assigned directly to the United
States Air Force. The unit has maintained and operated the Eastern
Range and affiliated facilities in support of Department of Defense
(DoD), National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), US Air
Force, and other test and evaluation agencies from 1951 – 1977 and
1979 to the present. It has also operated "Down-Range" facilities at
Antigua, Jonathan Dickinson Missile Tracking Annex, Ascension Island
and at Cape Canaveral, Florida from 1951 - 1977 and 1979 to the
present (the period between the deactivation of the Air Force Eastern
Test Range organization and the founding of the Eastern Space and
Missile Center is not considered part of the 45th lineage). After
October 1979 it launched DoD payloads into orbit and collected flight
data for evaluation of ballistic missile systems launched from Eastern
Launch sites for DoD, NASA, and commercial customers. It has also
given support for DoD, NASA, and commercial manned and unmanned space
programs while providing host-base responsibilities at Patrick Air
Force Base, Florida.

6.  The Thor was  built by Douglas in Santa Monica and Huntington
Beach, CA.  No where near Colorado.

So? You have a habit of ascribing things to me and then responding to
them as if I said them.

7.  NORAD had nothing to do with launches USAF and NASA assets.  It
was not a big player in the early space program.   NORAD did not
manage nor control space assets in the early days (pre 1970's).  It
only managed aircraft and missile tracking sites

Which included the Eastern Range (Cape Canaveral)

8.  The Canaveral launch pads weren't configured for Agena

I've asked you before and you've ignored it, what would stop the Thor-
Able missile launch from being re-configured to launch Thor-Agena?
The answer, nothing.

9. Clueless.  Agena was in work a lot longer than 18 months (see
WS118).  30 days is just BS, you have no basis for it.

The Thor program which started as 'Project Emily' went from
discussions to operational status in 36 months. It went from design
to flight hardware in 18 months.

On December 27, 1955 Douglas Aircraft Corporation was awarded the
prime contract for the airframe and integration. The Rocketdyne
division of North American Aviation was awarded the engine contract,
AC Spark Plug the primary inertial guidance system, Bell Labs the
backup radio guidance system, and General Electric the nose cone/
reentry vehicle.

The first flight of the Thor IRBM was on 25 January 1957. The first
airframe, number 101, was delivered in October of the previous year -
18 months after the contract award.

The Thor and Agena were both transportable on USAF cargo aircraft of
that era. Components could easily be deployed anywhere in the world
in a matter of days.

You already mentioned that the Thor IRBM was operational in Europe,
and that the Thor also operated as Thor-Agena from Vandenberg in
support of Corona and admitted that the Thor-Able was indeed used for
space launch support at Canaveral.

Yet to be mentioned is Project 437 on Johnston Island in the Pacific,
where two Thors stood ready as part of an orbital attack group
starting in 1962.

Program 437 Thors could intercept low earth orbiting satellites up to
an altitude of 700 nautical and a cross-range distance of 1,500
nautical miles. Two missiles were readied for launch, one as primary
launcher and the other as a hot back-up in case of primary failure.
Launch windows were as small as one second, also necessitating the
dual missiles. Once the missile's trajectory hit the target's orbital
path, the one megaton Mark 49 warhead would explode, setting off a
blast radius of five miles.
.

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